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Old 12-10-2011, 03:10 PM  
Paul Markham
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Originally Posted by mafia_man View Post
Paul. The EU is not a socialist bloc. If you still think it is, go and read the definition of socialism.

The EU is a neo-liberal capitalist bloc. Promotes trade between countries and uses taxes as it's funding just like every other government program.

Taxes != socialism as many of our American cousins would let us believe.
Did I say the EU was run by Socialists?

Maybe the cock up the spendaholics made of their time in power has taught voters that nothing is free.

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New Labour, France's Socialist Party and the SDP are actually socialist. Do you really think so?

Do you think the American's would let a socialist run the IMF?

Socialism is workers owning the means of production. Nothing the EU has done is socialistic in this regard.

There's no agenda. Capitalism won (so to speak) and everybody turned into neo-liberals including our centre left parties in the EU.

The EU might have started out as some socialist dream but now it's just a big marketplace.
I love the ideal of doing away with the bosses, getting rid of the greedy bankers, the corrupt businessmen, the crooked politicians. So we can allow workers to own a share in the businesses they work for, letting them run the businesses and having the same workers run the country without becoming corrupt themselves.

Can you show us an example of a country where it has worked to the benefit the workers. So we can copy them and all go forward to a new and better future. This would be a truly wonderful thing and I long to see the example you would like us to copy.
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