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dj_sniffy · 06-11-2003, 07:38 AM

Originally posted by darksoft

If going after CP is the issue, why aren't the processors for CP sites, and the CP sites themselves, being targeted?

they are. ask ASACP and the FBI about it. Go to news.google.com and search for CP, etc.

This is The War On Drugs 101: Getting the little street peddlers accomplishes next to nothing. More are to be had and are like the heads of the Hydra. If you want to kill the beast cut out it's heart. Get rid of the main source of CP and nail the fuckers who process for those sites. Once the source dries up, the street peddlers have nothing left to peddle.

Why is it, with all this vast technology and intellect, nobody has dared to actually do something that will actually accomplish something?

some possible reasons:

-combating an issue takes money.

-ideas that are based on good merits, get criticized and force to be shelved due to some negative sentiment.

any bit of forward direction should be welcomed. about accomplishing something? you sound like you want things done overnight. drug trafficking, done. illegal aliens, done.

systematic problems take a long time to make major change.

i agree with you and the other posts that, like the drug analogy, you need to attack things at the sources, and at different levels.

in order to make some change, you have to chip away at the problem, not sit back and just say just because your little rock axe ain't a stick of dynamite that you give up.

there is already active movement at all levels to stop CP, from the federal level, to organizations like ASACP, to people who report CP leads, to webmasters, and to services like us. All of us are doing some job at some level in tackling the problem.

the FBI are sitting in chat rooms, and combing web pages. But why is it that thousands of CP leads a month come to ASACP? Because CP is out there, and people who push CP images, are either doing it to "share" their pics with others, or trying to make a buck. If you are trying to make a buck, then you are a webmaster. if you look to use sponsor programs to make that buck and use the bad words or bad images, then that's where the sponsors and the FBI and ASACP are concerned.

Sniffy is concerned as well, that's why the service was created. It's merely a tool.

Yes, a tool can be used to knock something down, or it can be used to build something up. If you want to see sniffy's database and activities as a tool to do evil to the adult industry and reign hell-fire from the fed government, then that's your entitled viewpoint.

on the otherhand, if this tool is used to help sponsors get rid of CP, help ASACP get rid of CP, help fellow webmasters get rid of CP, then it does make a difference.

is the issue that while we are touting a "noble" cause, is it because we look to profit from such a venture? that's business. if private sector doesn't do it, then you are waiting for the public sector? that's government, and we want less gov't intrusion. non-profit organizations can be misleading, they do make money. The head of PBS makes over 500K as the CEO. he says his salary is in line with other CEO, but many people felt that being non-profit meant that he should have a high salary. The RIAA takes money from record labels and pay their executives very high salaries. It's non-profit, but people are profiting.

in order to make the record clear, sniffy is a for-profit service. it makes money by sponsors paying sniffy to verify/validate their affiliate webmasters. through the course of its business practice, it may uncover CP related websites, that the sponsor may choose to terminate, and may turn over to ASACP/FBI.

sniffy will have a database of millions of image data (it already has). what else will sniffy do with the data? that's a business decision. will the data be used to spy on webmaster activity? the database doesn't track that kind of info ( go talk to sextracker or hitbox about that). some other company may come through and have their own scripts that does monitor your traffic, oh wait, there are companies like that already out there spying , i mean logging, i mean monitoring ,on you and your traffic. do you question what they do with their data? you should, but it doesn't detrack from their business. when you put that free counter on your website, you are giving some third party access to your traffic. are you concerned with that? what about what they do with that data? who do they sell it to? great questions, but they aren't going to tell you.

this open forum is an opportunity for sniffy to share what its doing, and to get opinions from sponsors on the validity of the idea, as well as to get the kinds of posts that were on the board.

will someone's hangup of sniffy about it's "invasion of privacy" or "bandwidth stealing" stop sniffy from going forward? no, this isn't american idol and we are not asking you to call 1-888-you-vote.

we are opening up our ideas to get opinions. to listen to concerns that might otherwise be silent since companies who do thigns that you don't agree with, normally don't invite criticism or scrutiny.

are we tap dancing in our responses? no, they have been timely and to the point. FreeAdultContent addressed some excellent points, but they were based on sniffy causing harm to a webmaster. this thesis is completely incorrect, since sniffy can only warn or advise. It's the sponsor and the webmaster's actions that causes termination.

for those that have been reading the thread, i do understand that it runs long, and for you to read every post, does show your interest and concerns. sorry to be so long, but so much to say in response to a concern, that i and lee wanted to give a "non-tap dancing, we'll get back to you later" type responses.

as we have said many times, sniffy may never be let out because sponsors didn't want to pay for the service. whether their reasoning was not worth the money, or public sentiment. in the end, is about business, and the market space will dictate what happens.

but, this doesn't stop us from still trying to make a difference. Sniffy Jr. (the subset of the Sniffy service) can still be used by ASACP to help in their cause. The issues brought up in this forum may help to shape future policy, who knows.

only thing we know, is we are trying, and not sitting still.

-dj

06-11-2003, 07:38 AM
dj_sniffy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 47	Originally posted by darksoft If going after CP is the issue, why aren't the processors for CP sites, and the CP sites themselves, being targeted? they are. ask ASACP and the FBI about it. Go to news.google.com and search for CP, etc. This is The War On Drugs 101: Getting the little street peddlers accomplishes next to nothing. More are to be had and are like the heads of the Hydra. If you want to kill the beast cut out it's heart. Get rid of the main source of CP and nail the fuckers who process for those sites. Once the source dries up, the street peddlers have nothing left to peddle. Why is it, with all this vast technology and intellect, nobody has dared to actually do something that will actually accomplish something? some possible reasons: -combating an issue takes money. -ideas that are based on good merits, get criticized and force to be shelved due to some negative sentiment. any bit of forward direction should be welcomed. about accomplishing something? you sound like you want things done overnight. drug trafficking, done. illegal aliens, done. systematic problems take a long time to make major change. i agree with you and the other posts that, like the drug analogy, you need to attack things at the sources, and at different levels. in order to make some change, you have to chip away at the problem, not sit back and just say just because your little rock axe ain't a stick of dynamite that you give up. there is already active movement at all levels to stop CP, from the federal level, to organizations like ASACP, to people who report CP leads, to webmasters, and to services like us. All of us are doing some job at some level in tackling the problem. the FBI are sitting in chat rooms, and combing web pages. But why is it that thousands of CP leads a month come to ASACP? Because CP is out there, and people who push CP images, are either doing it to "share" their pics with others, or trying to make a buck. If you are trying to make a buck, then you are a webmaster. if you look to use sponsor programs to make that buck and use the bad words or bad images, then that's where the sponsors and the FBI and ASACP are concerned. Sniffy is concerned as well, that's why the service was created. It's merely a tool. Yes, a tool can be used to knock something down, or it can be used to build something up. If you want to see sniffy's database and activities as a tool to do evil to the adult industry and reign hell-fire from the fed government, then that's your entitled viewpoint. on the otherhand, if this tool is used to help sponsors get rid of CP, help ASACP get rid of CP, help fellow webmasters get rid of CP, then it does make a difference. is the issue that while we are touting a "noble" cause, is it because we look to profit from such a venture? that's business. if private sector doesn't do it, then you are waiting for the public sector? that's government, and we want less gov't intrusion. non-profit organizations can be misleading, they do make money. The head of PBS makes over 500K as the CEO. he says his salary is in line with other CEO, but many people felt that being non-profit meant that he should have a high salary. The RIAA takes money from record labels and pay their executives very high salaries. It's non-profit, but people are profiting. in order to make the record clear, sniffy is a for-profit service. it makes money by sponsors paying sniffy to verify/validate their affiliate webmasters. through the course of its business practice, it may uncover CP related websites, that the sponsor may choose to terminate, and may turn over to ASACP/FBI. sniffy will have a database of millions of image data (it already has). what else will sniffy do with the data? that's a business decision. will the data be used to spy on webmaster activity? the database doesn't track that kind of info ( go talk to sextracker or hitbox about that). some other company may come through and have their own scripts that does monitor your traffic, oh wait, there are companies like that already out there spying , i mean logging, i mean monitoring ,on you and your traffic. do you question what they do with their data? you should, but it doesn't detrack from their business. when you put that free counter on your website, you are giving some third party access to your traffic. are you concerned with that? what about what they do with that data? who do they sell it to? great questions, but they aren't going to tell you. this open forum is an opportunity for sniffy to share what its doing, and to get opinions from sponsors on the validity of the idea, as well as to get the kinds of posts that were on the board. will someone's hangup of sniffy about it's "invasion of privacy" or "bandwidth stealing" stop sniffy from going forward? no, this isn't american idol and we are not asking you to call 1-888-you-vote. we are opening up our ideas to get opinions. to listen to concerns that might otherwise be silent since companies who do thigns that you don't agree with, normally don't invite criticism or scrutiny. are we tap dancing in our responses? no, they have been timely and to the point. FreeAdultContent addressed some excellent points, but they were based on sniffy causing harm to a webmaster. this thesis is completely incorrect, since sniffy can only warn or advise. It's the sponsor and the webmaster's actions that causes termination. for those that have been reading the thread, i do understand that it runs long, and for you to read every post, does show your interest and concerns. sorry to be so long, but so much to say in response to a concern, that i and lee wanted to give a "non-tap dancing, we'll get back to you later" type responses. as we have said many times, sniffy may never be let out because sponsors didn't want to pay for the service. whether their reasoning was not worth the money, or public sentiment. in the end, is about business, and the market space will dictate what happens. but, this doesn't stop us from still trying to make a difference. Sniffy Jr. (the subset of the Sniffy service) can still be used by ASACP to help in their cause. The issues brought up in this forum may help to shape future policy, who knows. only thing we know, is we are trying, and not sitting still. -dj __________________ i can type, but i can't spel.