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DEA · 02-16-2012, 11:23 AM

way too long to read and alot of repetitive ramblong but here it is in full :

The LC 434u.com 20,000+ word Manifesto

http://www.43places.com/entries/view/4498608

434u is for you IF you want to be bullshitted and given orders as if you have accepted a job as an “unpaid employee” in a failed multi-level marketing website (an “MLM structure”, as 434u could point out they did not require you as 434u members to SELL) that changed it’s game and look a few times over the past two years and is owned and run by Rob Tidy, the son of a wealthy Australian man, Colin Tidy, who made his money via a gambling business (“bookmaker”) and gambling website (BetChoice). Gambling essentially is a business where the thing is to separate a “sucker” and his money, where the gambling business keeps the suckers money. 434u Members who previously joined at an earlier time by a totally different company structure and terms of service and 434u “business plan” have had everything changed on them. Not just the website itself which has changed, more importantly, the entire previous “business plan” was discarded entirely and replaced with a new “terms of service” (ToS) which supersedes any previous agreement the site had with its members. And you either accept or agree to the new terms or be gone. If you continue to participate in 434u you have automatically accepted the new ToS anyway. A number of times the so-called 434u “Executives” structure (“OURTEAM”) (Most 434u “Executives” really just being 434u MEMBERS in high level positions of 434u) got changed and switched about many times over several weeks, NOT only during “pre-launch” but ALSOAFTER a supposed “Public Launch” of 434u. 434u has had this game going on, before, like leading people on with a “carrot on a stick”, getting their 434u members to “do for them” and their site 434u by making us feel part of the team on a new venture that will be the “next big thing”, (the next facebook) in promises of a future reward of being in high positions and levels in this up and coming new site, 434u, (the opportunity is right NOW) and in the future members will make money (hahaha), in supposed profit sharing for 434u members, with the 434u “BUSINESSPLAN” (NOWHERE TO BE FOUNDNOW). It is or was to be a SECURE social networking site. That was one of the main points as well. The previous 434u very short main line (even what 434u is supposed to mean or represent) was: “434u – For Free For You”. Now the 434u motto or slogan seems to be: “434u – Safe, Secure, Social”. 434u members used to invite other people to join under them in their crew (it was required), and 434u members had various named levels for their positions (VIP Members, Co-Founders, Founders… (before that were things like Sapphire, Emerald, Diamond)), and we 434u members were told we would make money in the future along with the 434u site. They had “Our Team” pages, they had “Business Plan” pages with a lot of information. THREE of the so-called 434u “Executives” were (and are still) “illusionists” (magicians), and illusion in all reality is merely DECEPTION. Back to the basic idea of 434u. It was the idea of future reward and future payout to get members to help them promote and moderate their 434u site. Just the promise of a future reward or future payout. And that’s the “carrot on a stick” analogy and the reason that image illustrates the idea and point here in a basic way. 434u was to be “the next big thing”, (HYPE) the “next facebook” (hahaha 434u is a small closed community, not an open community), but SECURE. By invite only, as the way it was, and the way it is even more so now (join by invite only). Rob Tidy says he wants 434u to be like a “freemasons of social networking sites”. And requiring members to stay active, higher level members were to be active daily, even as “unpaid employees” (to moderate). They also require members to give them full and complete accurate personal information about themselves when joining. Your real and true full name is required (no phony or gimmicky novelty nicknames) and a real and true profile photo of yourself, (no fake images that are not a real person and even not yourself) and it is not only a real profile photo of yourself that is required, but is supposed to basically be a snapshot that is essentially of passport quality in identifying you, (a head shot that clearly shows your face without sunglasses) as well for your profile photo. You give 434u all your personal information so as to be paid in the future supposedly. 434u has been in so called “development” for TWO years now! (“What?”) 434u already has had a supposed “public launch” and then even after that 434u went back to supposed “beta” and “testing” modes again, before changing the 434u site again so they can have the new “terms of service” on their new site now, which did away with all the earlier structure of not only the 434u website, but more importantly, even the structure of the 434u company, as it is represented in it’s “terms of service (ToS)” with 434u members, which was all changed totally. All the previous talk to 434u members about what it is, and what it was to be, and how it would all work was done away with. All that was thrown away, and any previous idea of the relationship between the site 434u and it’s members was and is dead as the new ToS no longer refers to any of that, and it (ToS) must be accepted or you can just go away. The new 434u ToS supersedes all previous agreements they had with the 434u members, and 434u simply can get rid of any 434u member for any or even no reason at all. That is 434u. The owner Rob Tidy, (aka BIGDADDY) also feels very free to make things up as part of any excuses to get rid of you as a member if he does not want you on 434u anymore. Rob Tidy will remove a 434u member for anything he does not like about you, such as your private conversations you have with other 434u members off of (not on) his 434u website. I know because that is what happened to me in my conversations with a certain 434u member I was communicating with via “skype”, and that person shared our conversation with Rob Tidy. In my opinion Rob Tidy and 434u wants way too much commitment from a person and involvement and control in a person’s life for merely having joined their 434u internet social networking website as a member. It is rather far-fetched and unrealistic in my opinion. They just get suckers to believe in them for the idea of a potential future payout and reward, (“carrot on a stick”) and will replace older members with newer members when needed. It’s their website, it’s their game, they run it their way, whatever way is good for them, not you, and they don’t care about you, because they can remove you, then you can go away. They can just stay online and look good enough to all new persons seeing their website anew. “There’s a sucker born every minute.” You decide if 434u is to be trusted at all. You decide if you want to be involved with 434u at all. Some people have criticized 434u using such buzz words and language like 434u is a scam and Rob Tidy is a scammer and that 434u is scamming, and 434u (including Rob Tidy) could defend 434u (RE: scam, scammer, scamming) by saying that they do not take members money, that membership does not cost anything, that it is free. True. But they did take the 434u member’s time and effort and work in gaining new members and promoting 434u and moderating their crew members and moderating on the 434u website. When it comes to that the 434u owner/admin Rob Tidy (aka BIGDADDY) is found of pointing out to 434u members such things as that they (434u) do not need you as a member, and they only keep people who they want as a member, and that, in fact, what you have been doing is VOLUNTEERING your time and efforts for his site in their “VISION” of what 434u is to be. That you have merely been a VOLUNTEER for him and his 434u site. He also mentions his connections to certain known underworld figures in order to intimidate others. I say all this not as any mere guess or speculation or fabrication, but, in fact, as my asserted experiences with 434u and opinion or impression of 434u as having in fact been a 434u member myself. I was at 434u (previous and no longer existing) FOUNDER level, which was just under EXECUTIVE. I have talked to other people who were 434u members who also had been removed as 434u members as well. You need to think for yourself. You need to decide for yourself. Choose for yourself if you feel comfortable in trusting them at 434u, and even IF YOUCAN trust them at 434u. Can YOU trust them to honor their word to YOU? Can YOU trust them to give you any payout in the future? You can decide if you feel you can trust and believe what I present to you. You decide if you want to accept their 434u Terms Of Service (TOS), and basically take orders from the site owner/admin, Rob Tidy (aka “BigDaddy”, typing in ALLCAPS! most often), where all his bulletins to 434u members are to be taken by members as if orders to you, as if you are “unpaid employees”, and all this is actually only for the idea of a future payout from them, that in reality never has to be honored by them anyway as they can just easily remove you from their site for any or even for no reason at all. You think for yourself. You decide for yourself. – Lawrence Connor
about 1 year ago

02-16-2012, 11:23 AM
DEA So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Online Posts: 627	way too long to read and alot of repetitive ramblong but here it is in full : The LC 434u.com 20,000+ word Manifesto http://www.43places.com/entries/view/4498608 434u is for you IF you want to be bullshitted and given orders as if you have accepted a job as an “unpaid employee” in a failed multi-level marketing website (an “MLM structure”, as 434u could point out they did not require you as 434u members to SELL) that changed it’s game and look a few times over the past two years and is owned and run by Rob Tidy, the son of a wealthy Australian man, Colin Tidy, who made his money via a gambling business (“bookmaker”) and gambling website (BetChoice). Gambling essentially is a business where the thing is to separate a “sucker” and his money, where the gambling business keeps the suckers money. 434u Members who previously joined at an earlier time by a totally different company structure and terms of service and 434u “business plan” have had everything changed on them. Not just the website itself which has changed, more importantly, the entire previous “business plan” was discarded entirely and replaced with a new “terms of service” (ToS) which supersedes any previous agreement the site had with its members. And you either accept or agree to the new terms or be gone. If you continue to participate in 434u you have automatically accepted the new ToS anyway. A number of times the so-called 434u “Executives” structure (“OURTEAM”) (Most 434u “Executives” really just being 434u MEMBERS in high level positions of 434u) got changed and switched about many times over several weeks, NOT only during “pre-launch” but ALSOAFTER a supposed “Public Launch” of 434u. 434u has had this game going on, before, like leading people on with a “carrot on a stick”, getting their 434u members to “do for them” and their site 434u by making us feel part of the team on a new venture that will be the “next big thing”, (the next facebook) in promises of a future reward of being in high positions and levels in this up and coming new site, 434u, (the opportunity is right NOW) and in the future members will make money (hahaha), in supposed profit sharing for 434u members, with the 434u “BUSINESSPLAN” (NOWHERE TO BE FOUNDNOW). It is or was to be a SECURE social networking site. That was one of the main points as well. The previous 434u very short main line (even what 434u is supposed to mean or represent) was: “434u – For Free For You”. Now the 434u motto or slogan seems to be: “434u – Safe, Secure, Social”. 434u members used to invite other people to join under them in their crew (it was required), and 434u members had various named levels for their positions (VIP Members, Co-Founders, Founders… (before that were things like Sapphire, Emerald, Diamond)), and we 434u members were told we would make money in the future along with the 434u site. They had “Our Team” pages, they had “Business Plan” pages with a lot of information. THREE of the so-called 434u “Executives” were (and are still) “illusionists” (magicians), and illusion in all reality is merely DECEPTION. Back to the basic idea of 434u. It was the idea of future reward and future payout to get members to help them promote and moderate their 434u site. Just the promise of a future reward or future payout. And that’s the “carrot on a stick” analogy and the reason that image illustrates the idea and point here in a basic way. 434u was to be “the next big thing”, (HYPE) the “next facebook” (hahaha 434u is a small closed community, not an open community), but SECURE. By invite only, as the way it was, and the way it is even more so now (join by invite only). Rob Tidy says he wants 434u to be like a “freemasons of social networking sites”. And requiring members to stay active, higher level members were to be active daily, even as “unpaid employees” (to moderate). They also require members to give them full and complete accurate personal information about themselves when joining. Your real and true full name is required (no phony or gimmicky novelty nicknames) and a real and true profile photo of yourself, (no fake images that are not a real person and even not yourself) and it is not only a real profile photo of yourself that is required, but is supposed to basically be a snapshot that is essentially of passport quality in identifying you, (a head shot that clearly shows your face without sunglasses) as well for your profile photo. You give 434u all your personal information so as to be paid in the future supposedly. 434u has been in so called “development” for TWO years now! (“What?”) 434u already has had a supposed “public launch” and then even after that 434u went back to supposed “beta” and “testing” modes again, before changing the 434u site again so they can have the new “terms of service” on their new site now, which did away with all the earlier structure of not only the 434u website, but more importantly, even the structure of the 434u company, as it is represented in it’s “terms of service (ToS)” with 434u members, which was all changed totally. All the previous talk to 434u members about what it is, and what it was to be, and how it would all work was done away with. All that was thrown away, and any previous idea of the relationship between the site 434u and it’s members was and is dead as the new ToS no longer refers to any of that, and it (ToS) must be accepted or you can just go away. The new 434u ToS supersedes all previous agreements they had with the 434u members, and 434u simply can get rid of any 434u member for any or even no reason at all. That is 434u. The owner Rob Tidy, (aka BIGDADDY) also feels very free to make things up as part of any excuses to get rid of you as a member if he does not want you on 434u anymore. Rob Tidy will remove a 434u member for anything he does not like about you, such as your private conversations you have with other 434u members off of (not on) his 434u website. I know because that is what happened to me in my conversations with a certain 434u member I was communicating with via “skype”, and that person shared our conversation with Rob Tidy. In my opinion Rob Tidy and 434u wants way too much commitment from a person and involvement and control in a person’s life for merely having joined their 434u internet social networking website as a member. It is rather far-fetched and unrealistic in my opinion. They just get suckers to believe in them for the idea of a potential future payout and reward, (“carrot on a stick”) and will replace older members with newer members when needed. It’s their website, it’s their game, they run it their way, whatever way is good for them, not you, and they don’t care about you, because they can remove you, then you can go away. They can just stay online and look good enough to all new persons seeing their website anew. “There’s a sucker born every minute.” You decide if 434u is to be trusted at all. You decide if you want to be involved with 434u at all. Some people have criticized 434u using such buzz words and language like 434u is a scam and Rob Tidy is a scammer and that 434u is scamming, and 434u (including Rob Tidy) could defend 434u (RE: scam, scammer, scamming) by saying that they do not take members money, that membership does not cost anything, that it is free. True. But they did take the 434u member’s time and effort and work in gaining new members and promoting 434u and moderating their crew members and moderating on the 434u website. When it comes to that the 434u owner/admin Rob Tidy (aka BIGDADDY) is found of pointing out to 434u members such things as that they (434u) do not need you as a member, and they only keep people who they want as a member, and that, in fact, what you have been doing is VOLUNTEERING your time and efforts for his site in their “VISION” of what 434u is to be. That you have merely been a VOLUNTEER for him and his 434u site. He also mentions his connections to certain known underworld figures in order to intimidate others. I say all this not as any mere guess or speculation or fabrication, but, in fact, as my asserted experiences with 434u and opinion or impression of 434u as having in fact been a 434u member myself. I was at 434u (previous and no longer existing) FOUNDER level, which was just under EXECUTIVE. I have talked to other people who were 434u members who also had been removed as 434u members as well. You need to think for yourself. You need to decide for yourself. Choose for yourself if you feel comfortable in trusting them at 434u, and even IF YOUCAN trust them at 434u. Can YOU trust them to honor their word to YOU? Can YOU trust them to give you any payout in the future? You can decide if you feel you can trust and believe what I present to you. You decide if you want to accept their 434u Terms Of Service (TOS), and basically take orders from the site owner/admin, Rob Tidy (aka “BigDaddy”, typing in ALLCAPS! most often), where all his bulletins to 434u members are to be taken by members as if orders to you, as if you are “unpaid employees”, and all this is actually only for the idea of a future payout from them, that in reality never has to be honored by them anyway as they can just easily remove you from their site for any or even for no reason at all. You think for yourself. You decide for yourself. – Lawrence Connor about 1 year ago Last edited by DEA; 02-16-2012 at 11:32 AM..