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i love traffic shop but when i tried out the cam traffic i did not get one sign up and it cost 5x as much as normal trafficComment
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There is value I see in purchased bulk traffic for branding purposes -- it's a cheap way to get your name out there. However, if you are looking for conversions or sales -- forget it.Comment
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why was the OP orginql post edited?Comment
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Yes cam niche is quite ridiculous on trafficholder too, cost 3 to 5 times more and converts the same as plain US traffic. Best cam conversion of blind traffic I got from apparently unrelated niches such as: foot fetish, fat woman, sleeping (!?), and so on. But the trick it is the per domain, not the per niche, as the sites are ordered by the wrong niche always.
So I would say: if you buy plain "US" traffic of skimmed anywhere (not just Choker), unlikely you can make profit anywhere (not just on chaturbate). If you buy US+niche that may go a little better, but not for niches you expect, and no profit yet. If you make a filter per domain name of some hundrds of small ones (but it costs lots of time and money to setup - so is not free), you can make some profit - unsure if worth the time and money spent to test. In general skimmed people sell to each other like a buncing and last one who not re-sells it keeps the loss
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it is strange that people looking for porn are not interested in some chatComment
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everytime i am looking for porn and from tgp blind links i got to chat page, i always signup and my search is over. reallyComment
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90% of the time people clicking on TGPs are getting their fap on, clicking with their left hand. They're not going to stop what they're doing, fill out a form and confirm their e-mail address. Especially when you can get a hell of a show from Chaturbate for free without doing anything. ..and that's even assuming that the Chaturbate (or whatever) link was remotely relevant to what he was interested in.
Not to mention, unless this is the surfer's first day in the internet, he knows the game and that he has to click a gallery 2 or 3 times to get the content. They're used to closing forced traffic tabs.Last edited by baryl; 02-21-2012, 08:27 AM.Comment
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I've bought a lot of Choker traffic "back in the days", but always as feeder traffic for TGP's and shit.. generating sales from the traffic directly never happened..Comment
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People who say you can't convert paid traffic, is people who don't know what they are doing.
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If it worked, he would be sending it to sites himself. Maybe he is and you're getting what still never made money.
And this goes for all those selling traffic. Why sell it when you can send it to the sites yourself?
Traffic is easy to get.
Getting a join off it is the hard part. LOLComment
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Especially when you're buying it. Is it up to the seller to do that testing or the buyer ? How much money does the buyer need to spend before his test results confirm he's fucked ?
I stopped buying traffic when people stopped buying memberships in general and I was just wasting my $. I can't believe anyone would buy skimmed traffic today.
Juicy adds would be great and seemed like a good idea to me if they could actually get an ad on your page that was relevant to the content.
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Which is obviously a skill traffic sellers don't have. So far cheaper and easier to sell it at a couple of dollars a 1,000 to anyone who has a clue.Originally posted by Sly
Of course the traffic seller would never of put it through a few sites before he sold it.
Yes selling is tough and in a business hell bent on giving away the product for free it has to be very tough. Getting it as you said is the easy part, selling it something as you say is the tough part. The price of the commodity usually reflects the commodities value. 1,000 people interested in looking at porn = $3
Just a thought. "Traffic" that's sold. How is it gained. By an advert or link saying
"Click on this so we can sell you to all comers"
Or "Click here so we can sell you to anyone looking to buy traffic to send to a dating site"
Or just a dating site ad or cams or something else?
Or is it traffic on a site and they click to see something and suddenly land somewhere else?Comment
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If a person has to do all that work for the return. Would it not be easier to get the traffic themselves while doing that work and not pay someone else on a product that requires so much work?Especially when you're buying it. Is it up to the seller to do that testing or the buyer ? How much money does the buyer need to spend before his test results confirm he's fucked ?
I stopped buying traffic when people stopped buying memberships in general and I was just wasting my $. I can't believe anyone would buy skimmed traffic today.
Juicy adds would be great and seemed like a good idea to me if they could actually get an ad on your page that was relevant to the content.
but i'm just a caveman
Sly admits the hard part comes after the traffic is bought.Comment
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Buying traffic is a constant numbers game. And very fun at the same time. You like to talk about numbers all the time Paul you could probably be decent at it if you actually ever did anything or in the least tried the shit you talk about all the time.
I would honestly answer these but, I can hardly understand wtf you're asking, and don't know if you're serious or just trying to make another pointless point that no one gives a fuck about.Originally posted by Paul MarkhamLast edited by Jakez; 02-21-2012, 11:15 PM.Comment
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"Mutt",
If I was to buy traffic from you, I would setup goals using Analytics and track the traffic I was buying from you so that I could see that what you were providing to me was what you offered.
At the same time, I could add your gmail account to access to my Google Analytics so that you could see if the traffic I was buying from you was actually converting or not.
With a common 3rd party reference like Google Analytics, the traffic and perhaps content and or landing pages could be tweaked to increase the conversion rate.
This means more business for the traffic buyer, AND more business for the traffic seller. It's called WORKING TOGETHER to boost each others business.
Revulsion is blaming Choker for the bad traffic and some people are falling on board with this but we really don't know what his site was about, what content he was offering, what his landing pages were, or what his design was like. There is no data. At the same time, Choker can offer up any excuse he wants to as well without any real data to back it up.
A thread like this on GFY would be seen hundreds of times. Don't you think it would be a good idea to approach a problem like this armed with data first? It would show everyone what the real problem is, and help everyone to work together to make more money.Comment
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I have played the numbers game in selling probably longer than you've been alive. When I was playing truant from school and getting cash washing cars, I knew the more doors I knocked on the more money I earned. Also knew the better the neighborhood I worked in the more I could earn. This was in 1964. A little later I was a market trader and knew the better the position, the more money, the better the market the more money.
Same goes for working as a salesman selling office furniture. Same when selling my content.
I also knew all these were secondary to what I said when I knocked on a door and what I delivered after the sale.
The problem with so many is they put numbers at the top of the list and the game of getting the numbers is so screwed up in online porn, they give the product away for free. It's meant selling to 1-10 has now become selling to 1-1,000s and the numbers of sold too are declining faster than the traffic is coming to buy something.
Instead of constantly adding numbers, look at your selling techniques closer.
What's the first thing you say to a possible customer?
What's the next thing you say to them?
What do you offer them that's grabbing their attention.
What are you selling them.
Why should they listen to you and not slam the door in your face? Or click the "Return" button.
Mark just made a good post. This is far more important than the numbers game.Last edited by Paul Markham; 02-22-2012, 12:23 AM.Comment
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Good, yet obvious points. But you really need to get off the whole "stop giving porn away free" mentality. Far far FAR too late for that. It's easy to get a lot of traffic and hard to convert it, no need to post another wall of text elaborating on it, it's common sense and has always been that way. Easier to convert a small amount of very targetted traffic, but then there is usually less to be made in a given amount of time. You have to hit somewhere in the middle.Last edited by Jakez; 02-22-2012, 12:29 AM.Comment
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Lots of bot traffic on brokers. Not naming any specific brokers but it's just to easy for the bad guys to cheat them.Comment
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So you would let your seller know your conversions and landingpages? Seems very stupid unless you promote your own unique content program. Nobody works together like that. You are on your own. People will steal your campaign, happens all the time in adult and mainstream. Don't be naive.Comment
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doubt there is anyway anyone is going to convert cj skim tube traffic.Comment
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Hi Pimp,
Wouldn't you want to know if the ads I am buying from you are working for me?
I am not saying to share traffic strategies and other sensitive or competitive information with the traffic source. I am saying people should be tracking the goals (signups or conversions) reached only with traffic purchased, and that people should work with the traffic source to increase it.Comment
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