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Originally Posted by u-Bob
Correction: Everyone has the right to use violence. But only in self defense. It's the initiation of violence that is immoral. Initiating violence = aggression.
It's the institution of private property that separates man from the animal kingdom. Under the law of the jungle the strong prey on the weak. Under a system of private property, no matter how strong you are you have no right to violate another individual's property rights.
Under a collectivist system, the "collective" ("the state", "the majority",...) preys on the individual. A collectivist system is not much different from the law of the jungle. Collectivists are simply better at coming up with excuses to "justify" their acts of aggression.
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I've promised not to get into this anymore. but I think you are under someone's influence . No one is taking anything. On my personal example, my father and my grandmother got their apartements from a state (not buying them or taking credit, simply got them for free). Grandma was just ordinary worker in Bank (nothing more) and father mechanical eingenner (never gave a penny for his education).Does that sounds that someone is taking them something? That's all. They never had a fear about loosing job or private property or anyone tried to do so. Of course, I don't know how it was in other countries, but as I've mentioned above, I guess it depends on country and it's level of socialism. I remember being in Poland somewhere back in 1988 and it looked really depressive, that's for sure. Once socialism went down, people mentioned (and their friends) went into big problems once no one protected them (free market and free will that you are talking about). Most of them loosed jobs and were treated bad because in capitalism, you are worth how much money you have. I can remember times when we were here also asking what kind of people are these when everything is looked through money. And now, first thing someone ask me when I go to doctor is: Have you payed? Humiliating.It just depends how you used to live and your experience. I can bet that radical Islamists don't understand your way of life and are also having their point of view but never tried capitalsim or socialism.