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Originally Posted by signupdamnit
I don't see why people feel they have to make nasty personal attacks when discussing this stuff. 
I still think based on my own experiences and the numbers I see from others the average paysite can expect about a 1% ctr, 1:2000-1:2500 conversions raw, and under 250,000 tube views per day since the views are said to taper off with time. This would equate to approximately one sale every day or two depending on the exact numbers.
I don't doubt Ruseful's honesty although I do question whether his claim that 95% of the traffic hitting his site is due to tubes is true as he seems to believe it is. I also am skeptical that he has received no special treatment whatsoever given his connection to some of these tube operators. Likewise I don't doubt Robbie or Nautilus's numbers or honesty either. I know neither of them tend to bullshit about things and they are straight shooters.
I would love to see more experiences from other independent pay site owners. Especially those who do not have a stake in promoting the tube model or encouraging other content owners to freely supply their full content to these tube sites. Is there anyone here who was struggling previously who saw this thread and decided to submit some videos and is seeing an amazing return from it with 5-10 sales a day already? Let's hear some experiences. Just make sure to click the first link in my sig at least before you go overboard submitting all your content without running a test. I wouldn't want to be responsible for ruining your business should it not work out after you submit half your member's area and your affiliate sales decline 50% within the next three months.  |
We started with 1/10,000 to 1/25,000 on the major tubes when we started working them. We split tested the clips, the creatives, the text, every single aspect of each ad zone etc. Now we are consistently under 1/1000 on most, though not all. Do I blame the tube if the ratios are not averaging better? No. We are still trying to find the "recipe" for success on those that don't do as well and feel it is our job to find what works because it is our content and our sites we are trying to sell.
There are some clips that do well across the board. There are some tubes that have great communities to tap into as well. There are some that we still do crappy numbers on although even 1/2500 is still a vast improvement over 1/25000...
Our average retention on those is over 4 months. The type ins are even better for retention. We still juggle the high ctr/shitty conversions vs low ctr/highly branded strong conversions balls, trying always to get better ctr/great conversions - that is where tracking and A/B testing are so critical to success.
Do we have other traffic that converts way better? Sure, we are under 1/30 on the majority of review sites - but no where near the volume of traffic and therefore much less brand exposure so there is always a trade off.
Why doubt Ruseful? He has been very straightforward and it isn't like he is sucking up to anyone for affiliates, and he has been clear that his sites are merit based just like everyone else that submits as well.
Everyone is out there wondering "where are all the whale affiliates?" The major tubes are obviously where the traffic is so what is so bad about working with them as affiliates? I just don't get why people, especially people that used tgps as partners in its heydey, have an issue - people could just as easily jerk off to that content for free as well. (and still do... tgps still send sign ups too last time I looked)
The reason I never had the "they stole my content" issue with tubes is because every tube we ever saw our content on took it down with proper - meaning polite too - notice and were willing to work with us to avoid future issues. That is not "sucking up". That is called doing business.