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Originally Posted by DTK
That's certainly true, we're just talking about grass roots differently. To me, a 'grass roots' movement is one driven/guided and (more importantly) funded by regular ol' folks. I was just saying from that perspective, the TP doesn't qualify.
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Well, with the definition I would have to agree it is pretty difficult. It could still happen; it would just take longer and a couple martyrs.
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Let's not forget the Federlineists or whatever they were called 
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I was trying to limit it to successful parties and I think they only had one president. But then there was the democrat-republicans or republican-democrats that we started off with.
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Originally Posted by Jakez
So it's stupid to back someone that is not likely to win? Just give in to the lesser of the evils? Sorry but no thanks.
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No, it is stupid to throw good money after bad. I guess you have missed the comments by the Ron Paul supporters here and elsewhere that have come out and said that it does not matter how old Paul is (unlike McCain, who is younger); or who his running mate is; or anything else because they do not actually expect (or want?) him to win; they just want him to make a statement. Yes, that is stupid. If you want to make a statement for the Libertarian party, run as a libertarian. I might have a little respect for him then. As it stands, his only goal is to ensure we have Obama again. And that is very stupid.
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I don't like getting into this political stuff because I don't know the first thing about politics and hardly know what a Libertarian is because it's a waste of time paying attention to all of that IMO, all I know is the guy seems very honest and straight forward and at the least that is what I personally would like to see in a leader of this country. It's not like any of his supposedly insane ideas would ever pass, so what is the big deal? At least the man tells it like it is and can dumb down his speech for people like me who don't give a damn about politics.
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The best politician is the best liar. I guess I can understand why you like him. He has lied the best to you. Like Obama lied the best to most GFYers (and Americans that voted).