Quote:
Originally Posted by adultmobile
You are doing conspiracy theory here about cams and dating screwing affiliates more than pay sites. Ok you can choice from 100+ pay site programs and only from dozen cam/dating, but still 10 choices it is not a monopoly or even oligopoly. If there was nly 1 or 2 cam and dating program to choice from, the could have fixed price or do as bad as they wish, BUT, this could not happen yet exactly because there is a dozen competing. And this is dozen instead of 100's just because only 5% or max 10% of traffic who is interested in pics and videos it is interested in cams too, so there must be less sites anyway - another reason of cams and dating can't be too many programs, it is the critical mass and social dynamics, can run small pay sites but not small cam sites really.
About the billers you link them strictly to pay site programs it seems, but I would remind you that epoch it is the biller for myfreecams (first in list for new user signup) and secondary for streamate, and we use it too secondary; about ccbill it is biller for many cam sites too, for example most of asian niche ones, and zombaio been biller for small cam sites since day one - especially single cam girls with own site bill with zombaio for even skype shows. So I agree many pay sites will continue to die (and could be not many new ones launched to replace the died), still I think the main billers as ccbill, epoch sure not "gone" as they could keep up with just cams or else than pay sites, as well as smaller such as zombaio, segpay I would be surprised anything happens to them really - and even without need to bill for filesharing or shady stuff, at times even paypal is used until busted but occasional shady bill for weeks until pulled not so relevant except for GFY gossip.
|
I haven't tried every single dating or cam program out there so I cannot say they are all up to shady things but when I see dating sponsors showing me as converting at 1:2,000 uniques I automatically call bullshit when that traffic is from profile iframes which used to do 1:300-1:500 a year ago. It's not just one sponsor either. And with cams it's nearly the same. I know with good certainty some do shave. I've seen very strange statistical anomalies which I can duplicate at will with certain sponsors. Such as when on a pay-per-signup program I will have 1:x free-to-unique but when on pay-per-free with the same exact traffic I will have a 1:3x free-to-unique ratio. I've had one where I sent them hundreds of thousands of popunders and still made the same amount of free signups I made the month before without sending those extra popunders. There's too many things to list in total here. Then there are all the other observations I've read from other affiliates such as them sending targeted tier 1 traffic and still getting a lot of signups counted as tier2+3. Suffice it to say I think it's very common for dating and cam programs to shave affiliates. You'll never convince me that the search engine traffic I have really converts at 1:2000 on dating sites. It won't happen. I'll never believe it. I'll believe it on a pay site because of piracy but not on a dating site. I think it's more likely that someone is trying to capitalize on the perceived gullibility of affiliates who are used to seeing those ratios with pay sites.
This is what you get when you have only a handful of sponsors who are mostly larger players. They tend to think they can take advantage of affiliates more and they usually do in some way. It's always been this way. I agree on the billers but I don't think that will cover for all the revenue lost from the pay sites.