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Originally Posted by u-Bob
That's not true.
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Sorry, what I meant (and maybe should have said) was there were no massacres
today. The point being that, while obviously there have been spree killings in other countries, they are few and far between compared to the USA, where it has basically become a normal fact of life.
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Even if it's illegal to own a weapon, criminals will always find a way to get them or find another way to harm people.
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If that were true then the total (not merely gun-related) homicide rate in comparable countries (western democracies) would be the same or similar to that of the USA. It's not. The homicide rate is far higher in the USA. I'm sure you can guess why.
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Originally Posted by ClaireMonroe
And actually, there are mass shootings in high crimes in countries where guns are banned. Look at England. I just read an article the other day where rapes, murders, and robberies are up.
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It's pointless talking about crimes like rape and robberies, since they are always drastically under-reported. Rises could simply mean there is better reporting/recording, which is a good thing. As for the murder rate in England:
The murder rate in England and Wales fell by 14% to 550 homicides in 2011-12 – the lowest level since 1983.
Though it should be said the murder rate in the USA is, I believe, the lowest it has ever been since the 1960s. Though that's mainly because it was so astronomically high in the intervening years. Population 5 times larger than the UK, 30 times as many homicides. So much for people finding alternate ways to kill if they don't have access to guns.
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And what country was it when the crazy guy went out and shot up a bunch of kids recently? Was it Norway? Did their gun laws stop him? No. Mexico has anti-gun laws. They have the worst crime rate ever.
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Fairly sure that Breivik obtained his guns legally, like James Holmes. Despite gunloons claiming that illegal guns are the problem. As for Mexico, if you have to compare the USA to countries in mumbo-jumbo land to make your point, you truly have lost the argument.