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Originally Posted by The Sultan Of Smut
Homosexuality has existed throughout our entire written history, 1000's of years. Homosexuality is present in all other primates. Homosexuality has been exhibited in other non-primate mammals.
Hell there was even a Nobel prize handed out for the discovery of homosexual ducks engaging in necrophilia.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/...ation.research
Science is the study of nature. If it has been empirically documented then it is natural. The word "unnatural" with regards to homosexuality is never used in serious academia, only talk radio and Sunday school. |
If you are going to quote, then don't do the little dot thing, you changed the entire statement.
My statement was; "But, from a natural stance, homosexuality cannot reproduce offspring and therefore is unnatural."
If homosexuality were the norm then there would be no species. I'm sure we can possibly get to the point that men and women don't have sex anymore and the only way that babies are created is either by artificial insemination (still requires male input and female input) or by members of entirely homosexual populations realizing that the only way for species continuance is to copulate with the other sex.
If something is not part of the norm then it is abnormal. Clearly just a simple statement. Another simple statement is that if 95% of the population copulates penis to vagina, then that IS the norm. You cannot look at 5% of the population doing something as the norm unless you make them their own entire class and ignore the other portion of population. You spoke of science, and that just wouldn't be good science. (BTW, I don't know if my percentages are accurate. I just used them as examples)
Just because you see male monkeys jerking each other off or ass fucking doesn't mean anything more than it's what they are doing. They are still logical enough to know that the little monkeys come from the m/f pairings. You also don't find entire clans of lions, ducks, cows, etc where they are all homosexual; it's an exception to find a homosexual pairing, just as its an exception to find homosexual pairings in humans. The percentages are low throughout the entire population.
Nature at its most basic level, wishes to continue on. That which does not allow continuance would therefore be "unnatural". Twist the word however you like, but that's as basic as it gets. Pairings that don't allow for a species to continue are counter to basic natural progression.
Your statement - "If it has been empirically documented then it is natural." I'm not sure the use of the word empirical is proper here, but I'll go with it. Empirical indicates "derived from or guided by experience or experiment." Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer both experienced and experimented with and if I remember right documented their murders. Would this mean that their murderous actions were thereby "natural" as well? Based on the definition I found of empirical, it would seem so?
Gay, necrophiliac ducks.... wow, that's one I didn't expect. Nicely done. Hard to rebound from that one. Sometimes there's just phrases you can't bounce back from and that was one for me today. Especially when a Nobel Prize was involved.
When did GFY become serious academia? I wasn't prepared for word policing. Just out of curiosity, is it Dr. Sultan of Smut, Ph.D? (being a total smartass. Don't go off on me for being silly. I'm saying this with a big ass grin on my face full of complete sarcasm).