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Originally Posted by kane
I think we should increase our solar and wind power here in the US. We should tap into the sea of natural gas we have in the gulf and drill for a little more oil and get to the point where we have no oil needs at all from the middle east. At that time we tell Israel they are on their own. If they want to come here and live, fine by me, but if they are going to stay there and fight over a piece of dirt, they are on their own.
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I don't see why we should have to wait. We get nothing from Israel. They are not sitting on anything we want or need. In fact they're an enormous drain on our economy, and have caused us nothing but problems with countries which
do have resources that we want and need. The
only reason for our ridiculously unqualified support is their enormous political influence here.
Such unqualified support is not just bad for us either, it's bad for Israel. Since they know they can rely on us for anything, whatever they do, there is absolutely no incentive for them to behave rationally or sanely with the countries around them.
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Once we are gone from the region those middle eastern countries they can go back to fighting each other which is exactly what they will do. That part of the world has known nothing but violence and blood in the sand since the beginning of recorded time there is no reason to think it will ever stop. Many of them are radicals with no ability to reason outside of their belief system.
If you want to believe they are just friendly, nice people (when I say this I say it about the leadership, not so much the people themselves) who would never harm anyone you are free to do so. I believe otherwise.
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Iran has had a civilization and culture dating back thousands of years before the US even existed. In the last 200 years Iran has attacked zero countries. How many have we attacked? What's so peace-loving about our history?
The entire history, from birth and creation to the expansion of the USA, to becoming a superpower after WWII and then the only real superpower 20 years ago, is one of violence and war. And, given the huge homicide rate, we can't even say it's just the Government.
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As for the quote. This is what it is widely reported as being: "There is no doubt that the new wave [of attacks] in Palestine will wipe off this stigma [Israel] from the face of the Islamic world." Recalling the late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, leader of Iran's Islamic revolution, he said: "As the imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map."
He didn't say that they Iran should destroy Israel simply that if Palestine attacked it would be able to wipe them out and that imam said they should be destroyed.
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The fact that something is widely reported/repeated doesn't make it true. What he talks about is the (Zionist) regime in Israel, ie, the political system/Government.
Nobody says we're trying to wipe out all Arabs or Muslims from the map when we overthrow and attack Arab Governments, in our 'regime changes', so it's pure baloney to pretend he's saying that about Israel.
Even if he was, though, so what? People say shit all the time. What matters is what he can actually do. Israel has the fourth largest army in the world, arguably the second best supplied military, thanks to American and German taxpayers, and
hundreds of nukes. The fact they can still con sane, sensible people, which I believe you are, into thinking they're under threat is incredible.