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Old 09-28-2012, 01:25 PM  
crockett
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No sane person would suggest a business owner is anything less than the single most important part of any business. It's a false argument that doesn't exist... Nobody sane suggests business owners should get anything less than the 'lion's share' of the profits a business earns. Exotic cars, private jets, private islands... nobody minds any of that. Larry Ellison just bought the entire Hawaiian island of Lanai - good for him!

Now, when a 'business owner' at a major bank engages in fraud detrimental to the whole economy, or when BP cuts corners on safety to squeeze extra cash out of an oil well... or when a factory has people working in unsafe conditions... or when the people are being tacitly required to work more and more for less and less - that becomes a problem that needs to be solved.

So, Minte, applying your own reasoning. Who do you think is best apt to solve the problem? The janitor who can't figure out how to make payroll or the business owner who can? Unfortunately most business owners are so stuck on their own balance sheet that they fail to see what is going on beyond it... and most workers are so stuck on making their next mortgage payment that they aren't going to do anything about it.

In generations past, PATRIOTS fixed our problems. That is what we need now. People working together to come up with solutions and pushing to have them enacted, rather than quibbling over 3% income tax.

We have a large incapable segment of society relying on the more capable people around them. That is NOT new. It has always been that way. What has changed is that the more capable people used to take that as a source of pride, to be stewards of our society and statesmen who pushed the entire nation forward. These days they feel no such obligation. It's why you see so few people doing what Hershey or Carnegie did with their wealth. Gates is an exception who has done a lot, Buffet is contributing quite a bit. Hell, even Mark Cuban is at least trying to address some of the issues facing our nation.... but for every person like them there are 10 who couldn't care less what happens to the United States at this point.

The dim witted poor are nothing new. The affluent asshats who think wealth is an entitlement (usually because they did not earn it themselves, it was passed down to them) are a much bigger problem.

In the 1940s people didn't buy war bonds to get a higher yield on their money
Pretty much summed it up well what is very wrong with this country & why I can't stand the attitude of people like Minte. I could care less if they make a ton of money, good for them, but it's the piss shit attitude that they owe nothing to anyone and anyone that can't do the same thing they did is worthless.

My uncle has done amazing things in his life and is a self made multi-millionaire. I honestly don't have a clue as to what his net worth is, but I can wager a guess and say it's well over 500 mil if not quite a bit more.

I used to tell my friends some of the things he has done and most would usually think I was making stuff up or lying so I just stopped telling them. I'm taking stuff like he used to race car with Donny & Bobby Alison before NASCAR was big. (I used to play with Davy Alison when I was a kid when they were in Daytona for the races.)

He went to China on behalf of some business envoy for Reagan when I was a kid, yea he's a Republican but not the self righteous asshole type that is so common today.

He once told his wife, (my aunt) he was bringing home someone for lunch to make something good. It ended up being Jack Custo. My uncle's hobby was treasure hunting for old Spanish wrecks off the FL coast and in the Bahama's. He was partners with guys like Mel Fisher for some of these and he's been all over the world chasing his hobby.

Hell the summer I graduated high school, I received a phone call from my aunt asking if I wanted to go to the Bahama's the next day and if so be at the airport the next morning.

The next morning I was on a small twin engine plane landing at some tiny air strip on the main island that looked like it was just out of a war zone. I spent the next several weeks working on his boat diving on wrecks they were working.

The guy has had a few successful businesses most are now turned over to his two sons, but he still runs a very large fish farm with help from his daughter. In fact he likely has the largest sturgeon farm in Florida and probably one of the biggest in the country.

While I don't agree with everything he's done in his life, one thing is certain he didn't become what he is today on his own. He understands this and he has always given back to his community.

Hell the Universality of Florida holds part of one of their marine biology courses at his fish farm. He has even set up a small fish farm at one of the local grade schools so kids can learn from it. Not to mention who knows how much he's donated locally to his community to various projects.

It's not about people being rich and being jealous.. It's the fact that most of the rich today, are arrogant fucks that think the world should bow at their feet. They have forgotten what made this country great in their quest of greed and self worship..

They have forgotten that this country was built by people whom did great things, but then gave back so others could pull their selves up to also do great things.

Normally wouldn't post stuff about my private life, but this is a video on my uncle talking about his fish farm. I can't say if it's just because he's my uncle that I find it motivational, but perhaps others might as well.

http://growingbolder.com/media/money...43pi360sbv966d

There is just something clearly different in his attitude about what it means to be wealthy and what his responsibility's are in exchange for having that wealth. Perhaps Minte you can watch and pick up a positive trait or two.

I will say this I've never heard him complain about how much he pays in taxes. He simply doesn't focus on stuff like that, it's always about what he's doing next.

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