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Originally Posted by tony286
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Sadly an all to often true story.
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Originally Posted by Robbie
Paul you are totally ignorant of the people you THINK you are talking about.
The people I am talking about have NEVER had a higher standard of living. I'm talking about rednecks in the town I lived in in South Carolina. They were in their 20's, most of them sold meth on the side and collected welfare from the govt. because they had no proof of income.
Were they "poor". I guess. But they certainly had plenty of money (from slinging meth for instance) to party their ass off, put new rims on their car, buy dances at the titty bar.
You are so out of touch with what I've seen with my own two eyes that it's stupid of you to even be in this thread commenting on a country that you do not know anything about.
I am nots saying that ALL people are like that. But there are MILLIONS of them here.
People who were raised that way. Their parents were white trailer trash..and now they are white trailer trash. And their kids will be white trailer trash. They haven't lowered their standard of living. Hell they are living it up (in their minds) at a much higher standard. They are "poor"...and yet all have cellphones, a car, cable t.v., a big flat screen, etc.
Now...if you want to talk about the bums on the street begging...a percentage of them are mentally unstable.
But the majority of them are scamming.
I watched a documentary a few weeks ago with John Stossel where they followed "homeless" people...back to their HOMES! And then sat outside and waited until the "homeless" person came back outside dressed in their real clothes and then they confronted them.
Stossel himself put on a fake beard and some shabby clothes and held up a sign. He made over $200 in cash in just a couple of hours.
Again, I'm not saying ALL people are like that.
But to have these discussions and just pretend that millions of Americans don't scam the system is total bullshit.
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So where do you think America went wrong to create this culture? By the way I was also talking in a wider sense than America. Nice of you to ignore that.
Yes there will always be some who will work the system, like you do by only paying a 13% tax rate. BUT why have some countries gone that route and some haven't?
In England there is the same culture, yet in Germany it seems not, here in CZ it's kept to a minority who are mainly gypsies. There are countries where people do go to work and want to or keep trying. What has happened that these people have lost their self respect, their drive to do better for themselves and their families?
Could it be that as jobs in factories like Fords disappeared these kids realised with their education, postcode and race, they had so little chance of getting a job. Working the system was the only way to survive. Sending out CV after CV or turning up for interview after interview or working for an employer who will pay you less than the State. Have some just given up?
And please don't turn around and bleat the same brainwash dished out by those employing and paying less than the State. They are working the system as well. Like employers taking on illegals and paying very low wages, like farmers or food processors. So you can buy cheaper goods. Which is why most of the equipment around you and I are built in Third World sweat shops.
Yes blame the victims of the way our world has changed from a time when the West produced so much and imported so little. It doesn't change a thing. Take the benefits away and those guys smoking and selling meths are coming to your front door for your stuff. And they won't knock on the door so you can get your gun from the cupboard.
Cut military spending and highly trained killers will join them and they can knock on the door with a grenade. Or worse.
So come up with a solution.
Mine is simple, switch the money from funding what those in work can afford to pay direct for. Or tax you higher. Then put it into training for jobs that have a shortage of applicants. Any bright kid who can pass the college entry exam to be a science, engineering, hi tech, etc student and let the State pay for it. Or pass the cost onto those who want to be tax lawyers of plastic surgeons and other such professions that pay very well.
Give grants to factories who take kids on for a year. Even if it's to sweep the floors it teaches the ethic of work.
Then huge public projects, like painting the houses of old or infirm, rebuilding the poor areas of New Orleans or the flooded towns and cities in the UK, any disaster ravaged area. To give unemployed a job in return for their dole. A person doesn't turn up, an ex office worker will be looking at the file, then someone will be knocking on the persons door. Without a great excuse. No benefits. Yes it's tough, but that's what it needs. There are no sugar coated remedies.
Imported finished goods + 10% import tax. Unfinished goods will be determined by the state of the work required. Putting windscreen wipers on a Jaguar, isn't going to qualify to miss the 10%.
The only people who can solve this mess are Governments. Relying on the bosses or the 2% is going to make the problem worse.