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Old 09-30-2012, 05:38 PM  
kane
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Originally Posted by crockett View Post
Yes, but what is going to change it. Neither party is capable or willing to do it. I think it would take a zombie apocalypse at this point to change the world. I say world, because it's no longer a single country's problem but every country's problem because we are so interconnected.

Look at Egypt for example.. They had their uprising and govt has changed, but do you really think anything has changed in the long term outside of exchanging one ruling party for another?
I agree 100% that there is very little on the horizon that would lead us to believe anything will change anytime soon. Both parties are bought and paid for by big business so the government handouts to big companies will not stop anytime soon. Hell, both parties end up with people on their cabinets and making policy that are or were part of the same companies that are getting the handouts.

There won't be a change in the people as well. Many people who live in poverty have a mindset that they will always be poor and short of winning the lottery there is nothing they can do about it. Upward mobility is as much a mindset as it is a skill set. I have always aspired to work for myself. I have always done things on the side to earn extra money. The risk of not having a steady paycheck is one that is well worth taking for me. But there are a ton of people who don't feel that same way. Many are very happy working for someone else and many are happy doing whatever they can to work as little as possible. There is no election that can fix that unless those who are elected simply cut off those who are leeching.

I still feel that the actual number of people who are capable of working and simply choose to live on the system instead of working and bettering themselves is pretty small. To me the bigger problem is a general lack of education and training. There are a ton of people who graduate high school (or drop out) and get jobs only to find out that for many of them there is a ceiling on the amount they are likely going to earn and the types of jobs they can get. We don't put enough emphasis on higher education and training nor do we put enough emphasis on the evils of personal debt so many get jobs, get in debt and find themselves stuck.

Some of it too is simply the way our system is built. Capitalism is a pyramid. The higher you move up and the more you make the fewer of those opportunities there are. In order for the system to work you need worker bees. Walmart doesn't exist without all of their employees. The same can be said for any manufacturing company or any company that provides a product or service and employs many people to help deliver that product or service. The odds are these people are not going to make a lot of money, but they are needed to make that company run. We can't glorify the success of a business and then flog those who work for it because they don't pay enough into the system or ask for some extra help.
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