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Mutt · 10-01-2012, 04:02 AM

Relentless makes points that I have been making for 30 years since my high school geography teacher was predicting the future of robotics/automation and globalization. I sat in my desk and wondered what do all the dopes do in the future. And his answer was of course 'retraining' and a shorter work week - wtf, who's going to pay somebody to work less?

Literally 75% of the kids I went to high school with were dopes, the die was already cast for their lives, they were happy to drink beer, fix up their cars, get some job and get married. Destined to be mechanics, waitresses, shoe salesmen, truck drivers etc. 40 years ago the town I grew up in had a big steel mill, a big pipe manufacturing plant and some other factories. Good jobs, lifetime jobs for their parents generation, jobs you could get married and raise a family on. Many of the dopes got those jobs, and the other dopes got jobs serving and selling them stuff. Those type of jobs have been declining for decades. So what happens to the dopes? A percentage of them can be trained to do other types of work and some of them get a wakeup call and create their own jobs - like adult webmastering. But it still leaves a big portion of the population for whom the economy can't provide the type of well paid job a dope can do. People always use exceptions to the rule as examples of how to deal with this problem - 'i knew this woman, divorced single mom living on social assistance, she made delicious pies from a recipe her grandma passed down, she set up a little stand to sell her pies in the summer, soon people were coming from 3 towns over just to buy her pies, today she owns 50 pie bakeries named after her grandma and is a multi millionaire!' There are lots of those self made stories but they are a small percentage, the exceptions.

So, what do you do with the growing number of these dopes for whom the economy has no jobs that provide a good living? A conservative would say 'fuck em, they made their own bed let them lie in it'. A liberal would redistribute some of the wealth possessed by the smart/motivated/fortunate.

There have always been dirt poor people in the US, Canada, the UK and any other 'first world' country and there always will be, that's just how things and people are. But as Robbie said, being poor today is a whole different thing than being poor 50 years ago. The poor of today live better than the middle class of 50 years ago.

10-01-2012, 04:02 AM
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	Relentless makes points that I have been making for 30 years since my high school geography teacher was predicting the future of robotics/automation and globalization. I sat in my desk and wondered what do all the dopes do in the future. And his answer was of course 'retraining' and a shorter work week - wtf, who's going to pay somebody to work less? Literally 75% of the kids I went to high school with were dopes, the die was already cast for their lives, they were happy to drink beer, fix up their cars, get some job and get married. Destined to be mechanics, waitresses, shoe salesmen, truck drivers etc. 40 years ago the town I grew up in had a big steel mill, a big pipe manufacturing plant and some other factories. Good jobs, lifetime jobs for their parents generation, jobs you could get married and raise a family on. Many of the dopes got those jobs, and the other dopes got jobs serving and selling them stuff. Those type of jobs have been declining for decades. So what happens to the dopes? A percentage of them can be trained to do other types of work and some of them get a wakeup call and create their own jobs - like adult webmastering. But it still leaves a big portion of the population for whom the economy can't provide the type of well paid job a dope can do. People always use exceptions to the rule as examples of how to deal with this problem - 'i knew this woman, divorced single mom living on social assistance, she made delicious pies from a recipe her grandma passed down, she set up a little stand to sell her pies in the summer, soon people were coming from 3 towns over just to buy her pies, today she owns 50 pie bakeries named after her grandma and is a multi millionaire!' There are lots of those self made stories but they are a small percentage, the exceptions. So, what do you do with the growing number of these dopes for whom the economy has no jobs that provide a good living? A conservative would say 'fuck em, they made their own bed let them lie in it'. A liberal would redistribute some of the wealth possessed by the smart/motivated/fortunate. There have always been dirt poor people in the US, Canada, the UK and any other 'first world' country and there always will be, that's just how things and people are. But as Robbie said, being poor today is a whole different thing than being poor 50 years ago. The poor of today live better than the middle class of 50 years ago. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!