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Old 10-01-2012, 11:58 AM  
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Not sure how we jumped on the topic of drug legalization and prisons, but I agree with you there is no reason to keep people in prison for harmless "offenses." I agree with you legalizing of drugs would actually be a good step in the right direction.
It is a perfect example of what I am talking about. Paying billions to imprison people who we give medication, horrible food, terrible shelter and clothing is more expensive than NOT imprisoning millions of people who we give medications, nutritious food and adequate shelter. You pay more tax dollars to sustain prisons than it would cost to sustain the same people in a better quality of life where they could contribute something... or at least not be a negative force in society.

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You are making it sound like "dim" people are hopeless. I don't think most are. The system they are in taught them helplessness, so we just need to reverse that. For example, this may not be ideal solution, but each recipient of government aid should have to do free community service... there is no reason why a skilled person like yourself should waste a day helping at a food pantry, when some unemployment "dim" person could perform that same job equally well...
I completely agree. Now we are on common ground. However, working at a food pantry as a dim person wont earn enough to take care of themselves without considerable subsidies from somewhere else. Dim people aren't hopeless, the chance of a dim person 'starting their own company and making themselves successful entrepreneurs' is hopeless.

We need to accept the fact that many people (likely more than half) even when working at their full capacity are not going to be able to find good high paying jobs. The jobs dim people can do are all being automated away. Dim people aren't suddenly going to be retrained to do jobs that Dim people can not do. So we have to either make up jobs that aren't truly needed and subsidize their standard of living, or kill them all.

Even doing all of that is a temporary solution... because we are not too far away from automating the jobs that many bright people do as well. Being a personal accountant is a job a dim person can't do. Any idea how many are out of work thanks to Turbotax? Even the hardest most complex and intelligence requiring jobs will be automated away soon enough. All that will be left is creative jobs, thinking of new things that don't already exist and have not yet been automated. How many people you really think will be employed in that economy? 10%? 1%?... Eventually very few people will have work to do. We are evolving beyond capitalism, not because capitalism is bad... but because we are more productive with every passing day and we simply do not need more than a certain amount of human production.
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