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Old 10-07-2012, 08:20 AM  
Paul Markham
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Originally Posted by adultmobile View Post
Ok here Paul on 2 out of the 3 statements, you are so wrong
So your 3 statements:

1) "While the cams spend so much money on traffic, free porn will flourish.". This is correct. But why we the cam sites spend so much money on traffic? Because we make even more money = profit from such traffic... or simply we would have stopped to pay for such a traffic. So if I buy $1000 of free traffic, this converts to the cam site (of course after several months or even years, it is not immediate) into $2000+.
Agreed. Doesn't mean I have to like it. If it's a pissing contest. I'm old enough to remember when I could spend $500 and make $6,000.

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2) "If girls are making less, the businesses they work for are making less.". No really, the cam sites can add more cam girls and make same or more. Like a tube site cam add more (stolen) videos to make more money total. In 2008 the big cam sites had 400-500 cam girls online at same time at most, now 1000-1200. Let average income per cam girl be one third, we put 3 times more cam girls online = same money total. Not so easy to do money for every cam girl as it was before, same as for webmasters, or any business like doing t-shirts where in China and India they compete, not as easy as before.
Good point.

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3) "Traffic isn't the key. Getting them to spend money is." No no no no. Always someone will get inspired to buy, even on surprise. If whoever will decide to spend money for anything, he will do in the site where he is, in that moment. And not elsewhere. So if you got the whole internet lurking on a free cam site (one of 3000 free users in a caa girl room), you are sure if any of those 3000 will ever decide to spend in cams, will do in this site and not elsewhere. As a bonus you let other sites fail, as they're empty. The main point (of cam business today) is to have most guys in your cam site rather than elsewhere. I see guys to buy first time after 1 year they lurk, nojoke! As somethng happens in their life, or they see a girl they fall in love finally - but they must be in your site in that moment, not elsewhere. There the freemium goes.
If your business model is reliant on that, you would go broke.

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It is simply no more super easy to do money as cam girl as before. I remember my first cam sites in 2004 and 2005: for cam girls it was enough to sit there and beg for private in broken english, then in private do clone shows, and this was banking ok. Now the guys are no more so impressed by a naked girl in cam, they want her to be also funny or different, to be online when customer is online so to make a more real friendship and so on. So the clone dumb cam girl who are online rnadomly and don't care to appointments with "friends" can have very bad time today, as it is for the lazy noob affiliate who thinks will be rich by register few domains and put a whitelabel to it and nothing else.
good girls have always been gold dust, in any form of porn.

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I agree about where to get the traffic, simply we get from where it is. In the past most of our traffic came from pay site member areas, that was golden traffic but also a lot, there was member areas with 1000's of members, now it is hard to find one with 100's - and where it is the new paysites?
As I said doesn't mean I have to like it.

If the freecams grow, then it might hit paid cams.

I just hate piracy and any form of it. IMO this industry is a shadow of what it was, cams will never fill the gap and paid dating sites will suffer soon
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