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Old 10-29-2012, 09:10 AM  
Paul Markham
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Originally Posted by spazlabz View Post
again, you dont want drama but you bait for it like crazy. Make up your mind

answering your last question first: No, he is not strong enough. He lacks the drive necessary to push through his agenda and he cannot resist the dollars floating around Washington from big pharma and the insurance lobby.

he would also lack support in Congress both from his own party and from an opposition party that has been against anything he is for...even if they proposed it first.

The Senate is so lazy and scared that the threat of a filibuster shuts stuff down so it does not come up for a vote. The American political system is broken but broken in favor of incumbent representatives so they have no motivation to fix it any time soon. More over when a party is in the majority they do not want to fix the issues that a minority party can pull to effectively shut down the government because they want to retain that ability for when they are in the minority.

the cumulative effect is that no one is working for the best interest of the American public who have been duped into believing there is a difference in the two parties. The only real difference is the flavor of the bat shit extremist on either side

for the record and full disclosure... I am a bat shit extremist liberal on a LOT of issues facing the US and a moderate on a few others
So is anyone brave or strong enough?

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Originally Posted by Sly
Brits tell me their system is failing and Canadians tell me most of them pay for out-of-pocket additional insurance anyway. I could be misunderstanding either of them, but I'm not jumping at any opportunity to pay higher taxes and still have to pay for my own insurance plus all of my other, high, medical expenses.

"That's where I'm coming from."
They are failing because the tax payers don't pay enough and some of the procedures and cures are very expensive today. If Canadians paid what Americans paid, their Health Care system wouldn't be doing so badly.

I don't know what you pay in Health Insurance. But let's say it's $400 a month, would you drop it if the State run insurance plan was covering you and only increased your taxes by $300 a month?

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United States per capita 7,960 17.4% of GDP
Norway per capita 5,352 9.6% of GDP
Canada per capita 4,363 11.4% of GDP
United Kingdom per capita 3,487 9.8% of GDP
Czech Republic per capita 2,108 6.8% of GDP
In the US it's $446 a month, in Canada $363, in the UK $290. In Norway it's bloody expensive. Still cheaper than the US.

The good thing is these countries cover people when they're out of work or retired.

IMO spazlabz understands it and it will take a lot for American voters to get it. And vote the incumbents out. That's how democracy works.
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