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6South · 11-02-2012, 12:22 AM

While I support your efforts and would agree it is a necessary endeavor I'm curious if you've thought about the long term outcome?

What will eventually happen is the typical internet evolution. The most dedicated criminals will just move to more protected hosting and payment systems who will not cooperate like bitcoin, etc.

I think eventually you will need to move into collecting intelligence on support for the various illegal activities that tend to actually get a reaction - such as the child porn support service providing and basically perform the investigative work for law enforcement so they 1, obtain intelligence they don't have the time or budget to pursue themselves and 2, can see the possibility of winning cases.

Unfortunately most of the prosecutions at that level will be Federal (in the case of the US) and even getting the Feds to pursue a case can be close to impossible without doing most of the foundation work for them. Then, the prosecutors only take cases they have a 95 percent or better chance of winning.

I think your service will be busy for a long time to come though, there are always new players coming into the warez / piracy for profit industry and they do tend to take a very short sighted view on things. This is why the same people will keep coming back even after you manage to kill their payment processing. It's no different than the low level spam for profit field (with a lot of cross over between the participants) but as with most Internet based theft the long term players will more and more often end up being members or organized crime rings from the former USSR, Africa and Asia.

It's sad that the general public will end up killing their own freedoms. As long as so many people feel it's not only OK to not pay for services but for a few to feel they should be able to make money by stealing the work of others outright the end game solution will be a system of controls on the Internet that guarantee accountability. It's really only a matter of time, the ecommerce potential in yearly $ has grown to the critical level and the number of people using it to steal has also grown past the level where it cannot continue.

Right now the fight is still primarily being carried by content and good producers. Once finance enters the ring you will start to see more effective efforts in prosecutions and the development of controls - be that personal accountability such as tracking technologies or better and better DRM.

In all honestly while I do feel your efforts are needed and a necessary part of the process the industry as a whole would probably be better off investing in DRM technology and doing so on a basis that will keep up w/ the crackers. The model of 12 month release dates cannot compete w/ an opposition that works for free and has no release calendar.

11-02-2012, 12:22 AM
6South Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 84	While I support your efforts and would agree it is a necessary endeavor I'm curious if you've thought about the long term outcome? What will eventually happen is the typical internet evolution. The most dedicated criminals will just move to more protected hosting and payment systems who will not cooperate like bitcoin, etc. I think eventually you will need to move into collecting intelligence on support for the various illegal activities that tend to actually get a reaction - such as the child porn support service providing and basically perform the investigative work for law enforcement so they 1, obtain intelligence they don't have the time or budget to pursue themselves and 2, can see the possibility of winning cases. Unfortunately most of the prosecutions at that level will be Federal (in the case of the US) and even getting the Feds to pursue a case can be close to impossible without doing most of the foundation work for them. Then, the prosecutors only take cases they have a 95 percent or better chance of winning. I think your service will be busy for a long time to come though, there are always new players coming into the warez / piracy for profit industry and they do tend to take a very short sighted view on things. This is why the same people will keep coming back even after you manage to kill their payment processing. It's no different than the low level spam for profit field (with a lot of cross over between the participants) but as with most Internet based theft the long term players will more and more often end up being members or organized crime rings from the former USSR, Africa and Asia. It's sad that the general public will end up killing their own freedoms. As long as so many people feel it's not only OK to not pay for services but for a few to feel they should be able to make money by stealing the work of others outright the end game solution will be a system of controls on the Internet that guarantee accountability. It's really only a matter of time, the ecommerce potential in yearly $ has grown to the critical level and the number of people using it to steal has also grown past the level where it cannot continue. Right now the fight is still primarily being carried by content and good producers. Once finance enters the ring you will start to see more effective efforts in prosecutions and the development of controls - be that personal accountability such as tracking technologies or better and better DRM. In all honestly while I do feel your efforts are needed and a necessary part of the process the industry as a whole would probably be better off investing in DRM technology and doing so on a basis that will keep up w/ the crackers. The model of 12 month release dates cannot compete w/ an opposition that works for free and has no release calendar. __________________ -= Software / Systems Architect and Server Geek =-