Originally Posted by Why

the people who know whats actually going on are generally not on low level webmaster forums, so this doesnt suprise me that something so old is new to them.

for the record... the things high end mainstream companies are doing blows almost everything adult is doing, as a whole, right out of the water. they are still making money and moving up, we are stuck trying to make ends meet again, after training the entire world that our product should be free.