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Originally Posted by harvey
so you're saying millions of Cuban people who actually know who Guevara was are wrong but a CIA employee is a reliable source? wow.
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Quite a few of the people that fled guavara and castro did work from time to time to help the CIA. South Florida is full of them. When you see friends and family killed for no reason, you are often willing to help any enemy of your enemy. Does that mean that they are all suddenly lying?
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Originally Posted by harvey
Now, you mention "Exposing the Real Che Guevara" as a reliable source. I have read the book and it's just nauseating CIA propaganda,
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If you read it then did you also notice all of the references? There are pages and pages of them ranging from media around the world, to universities, to tons of direct interviews with witnesses
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but let's assume it's real so we can go to the next question: if Guevara was an evil crazy man killing everybody..... how was it possible to hunt him in Bolivia just because he didn't want to kill or kidnap any witnesses, which eventually led to his murder, as well as all his comrades? Something doesn't sound right here, the crazy murderer forgets he's crazy and a murderer and allows his captors to reach him. Please explain me the logic behind this, because I can't find any.
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Perhaps you can't find any because events transpired differently than you are quoting....
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Finally, if Cuban people is so against Castro, Guevara or the revolution.... why they allow it? I don't know, Castro's guerrilla initially were 13 (thirteen) and they made a revolution. If this CIA "gusano" is right, how is it that several millions can overthrown this regime? Even further: how comes they show up their support by millions?
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Mao killed tens of millions of people, and yet somehow 100s of millions supported him....at least it seemed that way, didn't it? Stalin did the same thing, and yet their movements succeeded. Under gaurvara you were jailed or killed for having any dissenting opinion, (or having something that he wanted), so any people that may not have "loved" the guy had the choice of either shutting up and looking happy, or risking their lives to try to cross the ocean on a raft, (or be killed trying).
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Originally Posted by harvey
And how comes all the "sources" for Guevara, Castro or whoever crimes are always from the CIA? Just a coincidence? Isn't anybody else in the world that is not under CIA payroll a witness? Not even one?
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Again, I take you back to sourcing the witnesses as referenced in the book I mentioned, and also try living in South Florida among cubans that survived him. The ones I know never worked for the CIA and they will tell you stories that will make you want to weep and rage about Che's activities.
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Originally Posted by harvey
Again, I'm sure there were excesses, but really, not even close to 1/10th of what US does any single month around the world. And let's be honest, they don't do it exactly to liberate anyone.
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I completely agree with you. The US, and many many governments, are guilty of hideous crimes all over the world. This is way I don't put them down as "People I Most Admire". The OP did Che down as one though, and none of that changes what Che did.
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Originally Posted by harvey
You can blame Guevara as much as you want, but you can't say he got rich, not even powerful or anything: he resigned all positions, honors and even his own family to continue with his ideals in different countries of the world. You might agree with them or not, but I'm sure you won't find anything about him doing what he did for money or to steal anything to anyone. A pretty curious case of a "crazy looney murderer" if you ask me.
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Yup, I agree. He was a crazy bastard. I don't understand his motives, so I won't try to explain them.
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Originally Posted by harvey
I don't know, maybe you should stop watching FAUX "news". I mean...
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This one made me chuckle. I'm pretty sure that none of the cable news networks has done a story about Che since he was DEAD LONG BEFORE THEY EXISTED. The first one, CNN didn't come around until I was like 28 years old, and Che was long dead already at that point. How old are you anyway?
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or maybe you can try and visit any country in Latin America or most of Africa and ask people what they think. You'll get surprised (keep in mind quite probably they won't be on CIA's payroll)  |
Millions of people around the world believe that a nice sounding Jewish guy walked on water, brought people back to life and rose from the dead. I have no opinion one way or the other whether it actually happened, but I'm not willing to use their faith that it did, as proof of anything.
On the other hand I know people here in South Florida that were PERSONAL witnesses to him, THAT I will consider as evidence. Instead of talking to those millions of people that never met him, why not come here and speaking to the thousands that actually did?
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