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Old 05-27-2013, 08:21 PM  
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The Middle East has been a cancer for the best part of 2000 years - whether it was the Turks, the Brits or now the Americans sticking their noses in it or not it would still be a vile backwards shithole where people suffer and die endlessly. The US would like to foster democracies where it can, that isn't done overnight, it isn't probably done in a lifetime. It also means you end up supporting some pretty despicable people who have their own agendas who will cooperate with the US. You can't get involved in the Middle East and not come out smelling like shit. Not in the short term anyway.

Without oil the US wouldn't be much interested in any of it other than providing humanitarian relief.

This 'Future of Freedom' organization isn't about freedom, there is little freedom in the Middle East outside Israel. Like many Canadians on this board, guys like Richard and directfiesta, it's fodder for a diatribe against the US. Without US involvement they wouldn't even be aware of what happens in the Middle East, they only worry about suffering when it's caused by the United States.

From my viewpoint the human and economic costs are too high for what might be gained, and the gains that are made the easiest and fastest are made by the military industrial complex Eisenhower warned about which makes it all look rather unseemly.
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