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Originally Posted by helterskelter808
I agree they shouldn't be put in the same category, but only because tubes are far, far worse:
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The raw hard facts demonstrate that they are not worse, file lockers and torrents are worse.
Is there a lot of free porn on tubes ? Yes absolutely.
Is there more pirated porn on tubes than file lockers ? Not even close.
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1. The people who visit tubes are the natural paying customers of porn sites. People in developed countries, with credit cards, who want easy access to porn with no fuss. Whereas file lockers are used by people who wouldn't be paying for porn anyway, either because they are not old enough, because they live in the third world, or because they have the time/patience to jump through numerous hoops to get it free.
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You make the assumption that all the porn on tubes is pirated. This is incorrect.
Tubes only get a fraction of the DMCA take down notices that file lockers and torrent trackers get. The reason for this is that the large tubes licence enormous amounts of content, partner accounts account for a large number of uploads to tube sites and the portion of piracy is relatively small.
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2. The volume of content, which can only be a complete and utter guestimation anyway, is irrelevant. A 'file locker' some dude sets up in his bedroom could have (in theory) 10000 times as much content as Pornhub, in terms of GB; what matters is how many people access that content.
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It is fact that most of the large file lockers operating are well planned out criminal conspiracies to commit commercial copyright infringement and to defraud users in several cases. Almost none of the content being shared on these sites is legally shared.
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Further up you mention some file locker that reached the heights of 5000 on Alexa. IOW, 4900 places below every major tube site. The most popular tube site right now is a Top 50 Alexa site, with a higher global rank than PayPal itself.
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When I started this project Netload, Hotfile and Deposit Files were in the top 500 on Alexa, now they have all dropped significantly since we have hit them and cut of their payment systems forcing them to adopt less user friendly payment options.
Rapidshare was even higher than that, however we brought about a situation where so much pressure was placed on the relationship between Rapidshare and Paypal that Rapidshare was forced to become more like a cloud storage provider and reduce the amount of piracy it harboured.
Hotfile was one of the biggest offenders and by proving the link between Hotfile and piracy/illegal content we were able to bring about the loss of Hotfile's Paypal account, something the movie studios weren't even able to do.
Unlike the largest tubes, none of the content shared by these file lockers is licensed.
The DMCA records of Google speak for themselves.
NETLOAD.IN
Total Requests: 6,286
Median Requests per Week: 75
URLs Requested to be Removed: 370,183
% Indexed URLs < 5%
Median URLs per Week: 2,960
Most Recent Request: May 31, 2013
First Available Request: Aug 27, 2011
XHAMSTER.COM
Total Requests: 532
Median Requests per Week: 5
URLs Requested to be Removed: 11,091
% Indexed URLs < 0.1%
Median URLs per Week: 42
Most Recent Request: May 31, 2013
First Available Request: Sep 2, 2011
If we look at these statistics dealing with only porn takedowns they become clearer
NETLOAD.IN: 129,572 DMCA notices relating to porn
XHAMSTER.COM: 9,492 DMCA notices relating to porn (yes people upload non porn to tubes)
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Similar of stats, if not 'better', for Pornhub (US rank 35) and doubtless every other tube.
So what's the most popular file locker? For the sake of argument, let's say Rapidgator, (Global rank 385 - US rank 843).
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As you compared Rapidgator to Pornhub lets run the same comparison.
RAPIDGATOR.COM
Total Requests: 19,563
Median Requests per Week: 307
URLs Requested to be Removed: 1,836,670
% Indexed URLs < 10%
Median URLs per Week: 14,173
Most Recent Request: May 31, 2013
First Available Request: Feb 19, 2012
PORNHUB.COM
Total Requests: 817
Median Requests per Week: 7
URLs Requested to be Removed: 21,765
% Indexed URLs < 0.1%
Median URLs per Week: 113
Most Recent Request: May 31, 2013
First Available Request: Aug 2, 2011
Now lets normalise the figures accounting for only Porn takedowns
RAPIDGATOR: 479,771
PORNHUB.COM: 20,001
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You don't have to be a rocket scientist to spot the real difference between file lockers and tubes.
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No, you don't and you don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand what has been explained all the way through this thread either. The fact is that the quantity of DMCA notices issued against the big DMCA compliant tubes pales in comparison to the quantity of DMCA notices issued to file lockers.
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Originally Posted by helterskelter808
No, it's even wackier than that. He criticizes tubes, he knows they are by far the biggest problem, but then when someone else points that out, he criticizes that person for doing so.  |
The fact is, that there is a lot of free porn on tubes. However that does not mean that they are worse when it comes to copyright infringement than file lockers, in fact they don't even come close.
Torrents and File Lockers are a far greater threat to intellectual property than the largest DMCA compliant tubes.