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bigluv · 06-12-2013, 11:22 AM

This thread has caused me to revise my estimate of the average GFY IQ downward.

1) It feels to me like the cops are abusing their powers a little.
I think everyone knew what was going on was this little junkie piece of shit was trying to game them to protect whatever it was that she had to protect OR if she wasn't protecting anything in that instant then she obviously has a defensive uncooperative attitude formed with the police and that tends to raise suspicions because it implies history. That much was obvious by her behaviour.

Mind you, if she didn't live in a shithole and instead lived in a million dollar nice looking house with a little land around it that looked affluent none of this would have ever happened either.

2) I don't really give a shit too much if the police abuse their powers a little with poor people and low lifes. It's not just the entry, either. Fucking with the camera isn't really defensible. On what grounds??! This woman qualifies on both counts though.

3) The problem is, that with something like policing having the discretion to bend the rules taken to its logical conclusion means eventually the wrong person has the rules bent on them and this results in bad consequences, sometimes even death for innocents. When I say innocents I mean innocents, not "innocent in that moment" I mean, not low lifes, upstanding citizens caught in the wrong place at the wrong time or whatever.

4) Since I don't want to even have a chance of being caught up in the inexorable machinery cogs of law enforcement and ground up into hamburger and I want to be able to depend on and exercise MY rights, I have to defend hers.

At some point Rochard's "it's not me, it doesn't matter, I'm obviously not police fearing they won't screw up and mistake me for someone on the other side of the fence" argument ends up in the same place I am. He just has more unfounded faith in them recognizing his upstandingness every single time, and doesn't worry about possible governmental changes down the line once rights have eroded.

This is also a slippery slope that has consequences that are wide ranging ... see sperbonzo's mention of once you have a government that has gathered all the totalitarian powers it wants, a change in government by whatever method - including one that simply gives in to the siren song of contempt and abuse of power fostered by getting away with it for so long, can have effects not imagined by those that let them get away with those erosions in the first place.

You (and I) have rights because some very smart guys tried their best to prevent the evolution of governments into tyrannies. YOUR forefathers even fought for it.

Pissing all over that in the name of .. what.. being a good citizen? expediency? is fucking stupid and tragic.

06-12-2013, 11:22 AM
bigluv Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 850	This thread has caused me to revise my estimate of the average GFY IQ downward. 1) It feels to me like the cops are abusing their powers a little. I think everyone knew what was going on was this little junkie piece of shit was trying to game them to protect whatever it was that she had to protect OR if she wasn't protecting anything in that instant then she obviously has a defensive uncooperative attitude formed with the police and that tends to raise suspicions because it implies history. That much was obvious by her behaviour. Mind you, if she didn't live in a shithole and instead lived in a million dollar nice looking house with a little land around it that looked affluent none of this would have ever happened either. 2) I don't really give a shit too much if the police abuse their powers a little with poor people and low lifes. It's not just the entry, either. Fucking with the camera isn't really defensible. On what grounds??! This woman qualifies on both counts though. 3) The problem is, that with something like policing having the discretion to bend the rules taken to its logical conclusion means eventually the wrong person has the rules bent on them and this results in bad consequences, sometimes even death for innocents. When I say innocents I mean innocents, not "innocent in that moment" I mean, not low lifes, upstanding citizens caught in the wrong place at the wrong time or whatever. 4) Since I don't want to even have a chance of being caught up in the inexorable machinery cogs of law enforcement and ground up into hamburger and I want to be able to depend on and exercise MY rights, I have to defend hers. At some point Rochard's "it's not me, it doesn't matter, I'm obviously not police fearing they won't screw up and mistake me for someone on the other side of the fence" argument ends up in the same place I am. He just has more unfounded faith in them recognizing his upstandingness every single time, and doesn't worry about possible governmental changes down the line once rights have eroded. This is also a slippery slope that has consequences that are wide ranging ... see sperbonzo's mention of once you have a government that has gathered all the totalitarian powers it wants, a change in government by whatever method - including one that simply gives in to the siren song of contempt and abuse of power fostered by getting away with it for so long, can have effects not imagined by those that let them get away with those erosions in the first place. You (and I) have rights because some very smart guys tried their best to prevent the evolution of governments into tyrannies. YOUR forefathers even fought for it. Pissing all over that in the name of .. what.. being a good citizen? expediency? is fucking stupid and tragic.