06-17-2013, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Rochard
FAA 702 "permits the Attorney General and the DNI jointly to authorize targeted collection of foreign intelligence from non-U.S. persons reasonably believed to be outside the United States. Section 702 allows such collection even if a U.S. person inside the United States is a party to the communication, subject to minimization procedures and other safeguards.
Did they target a US Citizen and read his email without a warrant? No. They targeted a non US citizen outside of the US, and in the process came across information about a US Citizen. It's no different than tapping a phone line - "they" can get a warrant to tap "Bob's phone line" but if I call that phone line they still get to listen in - even though they don't have a warrant to tap my phone line.
When they start targeting US citizens without a warrant and reading all of their email, then we have a problem. Then we have a huge problem.
BTW, did anyone read the comment FB made about this? They said they've received ten thousand requests to release information. Most of it was local police departments with local crimes, not the Federal Government.
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Did you read through his Q&A? This is what he said about that...
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I, sitting at my desk, certainly had the authorities to wiretap anyone, from you, or your accountant, to a federal judge, to even the President if I had a personal email.
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We have a problem. 
About Facbook, Google, and so on...
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Their denials went through several revisions as it become more and more clear they were misleading and included identical, specific language across companies. As a result of these disclosures and the clout of these companies, we're finally beginning to see more transparency and better details about these programs for the first time since their inception.
They are legally compelled to comply and maintain their silence in regard to specifics of the program, but that does not comply them from ethical obligation. If for example Facebook, Google, Microsoft, and Apple refused to provide this cooperation with the Intelligence Community, what do you think the government would do? Shut them down?
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