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Originally Posted by Rochard
What I don't understand is this has been going on since 1940. All nations read and hack each other.
In Germany they call it "Bundesnachrichtendienst". Wikipedia says:
It depends heavily on wiretapping and electronic surveillance of international communications. It collects and evaluates information on a variety of areas such as international non-state terrorism, weapons of mass destruction proliferation and illegal transfer of technology, organized crime, weapons and drug trafficking, money laundering, illegal migration and information warfare. As Germany?s only overseas intelligence service, the BND gathers both military and civil intelligence.
So, it spies on other countries. Every country does this.
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C'mon man, such an oversimplification with no consideration of the known details.. There's a big difference between them having a team of people bugging a lamp or plant so they can hear a room... This is incredibly large scale.. The difference between killing a dictator with a sniper or nuking his whole city to kill him.
They always list the things we'd be happy with them dealing with (like the list you just said) and we should "just trust them" that they don't use any other capabilities they have that we as the public might find offensive. Don't worry, they have it all under control...
But the fact we needed Snowden at all to tell us just have far their overreach went shows us that they're obviously not trustworthy at all.
We know you and your family don't mind living in a glass bowl shitting in glass toilets for your overlords to inspect your level of wrongdoing. But is it okay if I don't want that for me and my family?