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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody
Listen man, all I can say is this: I have offered to work with you several times, offering you special revshare, special promo materials and exclusive graphics (including URLs, domains, watermarks, etc) but you have refused to take me up on any of these offers, instead preferring to say "I don't promote paysites anymore except the ones I have up now".
Okay - so then all you do is complain about how things suck, there's no money in paysites anymore and you know all this because you've been doing it for years etc. But here you have a Sponser (me) offering to work with you directly and will provide exclusive content for your sites, and all you do is go 'Nope, don't do that anymore" yet write endless posts and start endless threads about how everything used to be better and everything sucks now.
Dude, you don't WANT to make money with paysites anymore. You don't want to be proven wrong about your assumptions. You're not trying new approaches, new paysites, better content, newer marketing techniques - all you're doing is ignoring help and sticking to your argument that there is no money in paysites anymore. It seems to me you're more interested in being stuck in the past than actually making money. You're obviously intelligent and experienced yet you seem to have stopped evolving circa 2007.
You're getting close to Paul Markham territory here (just swap out 'magazines' for 'pre-tube affiliates').
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I don't mean any disrespect but let me put it this way:
When I go to the grocery store there is often someone there offering free samples. Usually it is some new product no one has heard or or something which most people don't really like. So the sampler has to be verbal and really work to get people to even try a sample. Usually the booth is empty other than the employee.
Today, however, they had snickers and milky way bars available as samples. Wouldn't you know it that poor worker was surrounded!
This is the difference between selling paysites with samples today versus 2007. Today no one even wants the paysite content as free samples. They expect the full thing for free. Some pay but it's a fraction. Much harder. As an affiliate you have to gage this versus other opportunities.
The other part of it is this. There is someone here who has a niched paysite. They post here. Within the last two years for a while I did 1:700-1:1000 with them and made decent money. They always seemed to be a micro-manager and somewhat anti-affiliate but I let it go as the site did okay. Well then they switched from CCbill to Epoch. In doing so I was at something like 1:5000 the last time I checked. Then I see they switched to NATS and now I see they are talking of switching back to CCBill I think. The truth is I'm probably one of a dozen non-tube, non-review sites promoting them.
It's not just a question of whether something will convert now. It's a question of whether it will convert 1 year (or two years) from now and whether the program will still be around and paying. Increasingly the answer is "no, probably not". Not only that but all sorts of anti-affiliate behaviors and even flat out closing the program and stealing rebills is now acceptable. It's a very bad climate when compared to before. You can say you will be around, that you will convert, that you will always pay, that you are different, but there is no guarantee of that. You have to understand people have been claiming the same thing for the last 15 years.
Don't think it's just me. Look around. I think the affiliates have voted with their feet so to speak. The only difference is that I'm talking about it. It's really easy to get tired of adult as an affiliate these days.... very easy.
In the end you have to go where the money is. That has always been how good affiliates survived.