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well, 1st, i know this will annoy/irritate a few (hi amelia!) but i look at it like this, this show strives to produce the highest quality tele they can, even using literary giants like shakespeare and homer as inspirations.

and they succeed at that.

at the same time, i think their attempting to do that allows for people like us who are quite familiar with the show and even study the show, read about it and also engage in dialogue about the show to critique the show at the same high level.

that said, the bothersome thing about this show was the overall character actions and comments and such. for me, after 7 years of character development, i was surprised but what several of the characters did in this episode and i think even the actors were surprised by their characters in this episode and that showed up in their performances.

for instance, lydia the timid drug kingpin makes no sense. timidity is not a drug kingpin and not even how her character has acted up until this episode and a bit in the previous one.

the huell confession. there is no way in hell an attorney's body guard is not going to lawyer up, huell has more street smarts than that and that also to applies to his caving after seeing the fake brains blown-out pic. a street smart thug like huell has seen brains blown out and also had his fair-share of run-ins with the cops and would not have caved like that over that pic. moreover, ww owns a car wash yet dropped the van off with huell after burying the money for huell to wash? no.

ww's visit to andrea. why was that scene even in this episode? ww's plan didn't work, the scene was akwardly shot. perhaps it's going to be used in an upcoming episode but it seems contrived and useless in this episode.

the jesse picture text and phone call to ww. there is no way the walt i have come to know and loath over 7 years totally fell for that fake photo and phone call. here's why.
walt had jesse over a barrel with the previous phone call placed to jesse by andrea. if jesse had called walt and told him he's burning 10k every minute ww would have said i am on my way to pick up brock from school you fuckface, so if you burn 1 fucking dollar of my money, brock will be drinking a ricin laced sippie cup in about 4 fucking minutes.

stopping at the exact location of the money. putting myself in walt's shoes i would have been driving up to the exact location and not seen jack shit, i would have kept driving and not stopped there, there was zero need to stop at the exact spot.

the surrender. ok, this is big for me. seriously. what. the. fuck. was. that. ? walt surrendering by being dominated by his brother inlaw in front of jesse is not at all in line with his character. at all. not only that but there was simply no reason to have him dominated like that when it would have been more appropriate and make much more sense to have him be arrested in defiance, tony montana style, i will be out of prison in 15 minutes and you will be working in el paso tomorrow shrader.

the jesse loogie. jesse is a conflicted meth head psycho killer who just found out walt tried to poison brock. that person does not spit in handcuffed walt's face, that person walks up to walt and coldcocks the mother fucker.

wall of firepower. todd's uncle is turning up to be a worthy adversary to walt and it appears he *might* be who the guy is that takes out walt, which would bother me a lot, but that's another thread. anyhoo, dude had 6 guns on shrader. at least 2 were auto, 1 shotgun and 3 semi. i've shot 10s of thousands of rounds of ammo through handguns up to a .50 cal once, i am not worth a shit of a shot but even i could have wasted shrader if i had that amount of time to scope him in like how that scene played out.


a cliff hanger ending? shame on you vince gilligan, that's cheesy 1980's dynasty ending stuff, you are better than that.


Here are a few thoughts of mine on some of what you have said.

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for instance, lydia the timid drug kingpin makes no sense. timidity is not a drug kingpin and not even how her character has acted up until this episode and a bit in the previous one.
I have always seen her as someone who kind of got in over their head and never knew a way out. I think she is in this and is too scared to try to just walk away.

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the huell confession. there is no way in hell an attorney's body guard is not going to lawyer up, huell has more street smarts than that and that also to applies to his caving after seeing the fake brains blown-out pic. a street smart thug like huell has seen brains blown out and also had his fair-share of run-ins with the cops and would not have caved like that over that pic. moreover, ww owns a car wash yet dropped the van off with huell after burying the money for huell to wash? no.
I don't remember Huell ever saying much. Sure, you would think he would lawyer up, but he has always been the tough guy who does what he is told. I have never held him up to any particular level of trust. When his world suddenly comes crashing down around him maybe he just decides to save his own ass. When the ship starts to go down the rats start jumping overboard. As for WW not taking the vehicle to his own carwash. He may not have wanted to be affiliated with that van in any way. His employees could see him in it and if they were ever questioned about it could connect him to the van.

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the jesse picture text and phone call to ww. there is no way the walt i have come to know and loath over 7 years totally fell for that fake photo and phone call. here's why.
walt had jesse over a barrel with the previous phone call placed to jesse by andrea. if jesse had called walt and told him he's burning 10k every minute ww would have said i am on my way to pick up brock from school you fuckface, so if you burn 1 fucking dollar of my money, brock will be drinking a ricin laced sippie cup in about 4 fucking minutes.
It is a little too easy that things went down this way, but in the last episode Jesse did tell WW that he was going to hit him where he lives and as he pointed out all that WW has left that he cares about is the money. Add in that his cancer is back and he is stressed about Hank and everything else and it could have just sent him into a rage. He has gotten angry in the past and done pretty dramatic things.


As for the last part where he arrives where the money is, doesn't see Jesse, yet stops exactly where the money is and looks around then turns himself in. . . well, there potentially could have been better ways to do this. I could see him pulling into that area because he doesn't know if Jesse has dug all the money up and is somewhere else or what. Then when Hank shows up and he surrenders I have a feeling he had a different plan in mind that involved that video he made or something else, but it was all, literally, shot to hell when the Nazis showed up.

Was it the best episode they have ever had? No, but still think it was pretty damn good. I see WW as slowly spiraling out of control. He is a cornered animal is striking back and that means he may not always do the smartest things not to mention he no longer needs to keep his actions hidden from anyone so he can cut the secrecy out of things and just act.
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