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TheSquealer · 09-12-2013, 04:47 PM

Putin is an infinitely better statesmen than either Kerry or Obama. The simple fact is that Obama is where he is because he went off prompter and said stupid, naive shit as he often does when he deviates from the script. Kerry fucked things up even worse for Obama with a simple off the cuff remark. Putin, without hesitation capitalizes and their naivete' and idiotic remarks and put the US and Obama Administration right where he wanted them, tied their hands and shut them down.

Obama is the one who began making threats, without a plan, without any understanding of what he was talking about and with zero support at home or abroad should he have to carry out his threats. Putin did not do anything other than capitalize on Obama/Kerry mistakes, stall their momentum, gain momentum of his own and keep that momentum going.

Sun Tzu would be proud of Putin and would be disappointed with Obama. If there was ever an armed conflict started by Obama it would most likely be because he is right where someone else put him, right where they wanted, when they wanted, how they wanted and doing exactly what they wanted. That is how naive, arrogant and out of his depth, Obama is in global affairs, politics and military strategy and tactics.

there both before and after Putin became President, you have no clue what he is about. I was there. He (for all his perceived faults) brought that country back from the abyss created by the Oligarchs, Yeltsin, endemic corruption and a bankrupt state. A state that went bankrupt trying to sell bonds at 50% interest for 6 months turning its entire economy into the worlds largest pyramid scheme. A state that had absolutely no economic plan until for quite a few years - until 1994 and it was completely bankrupt... to stealing a huge part of the Billions and Billions loaned to it by the EBRD, World Bank and others to save itself. Almost all of you have no clue what its like to live in and do business in a nation that has a legal system that is not simply broken, but where each law fully contradicts another law and there is literally zero chance of complying - leaving you constantly vulnerable to people using the legal system to make problems for you, often putting foes in prison. You have no clue what its like to do business where the penalty of not fulfilling your obligations, no matter how small they might have been was a bullet to the head. Before Putin, it was a system where judges, Police, KGB, Customs, government officials and anyone at all could be bought for pennies in the mid/late 90s. A state where you could pay a simple policeman to search a random person down for 50.00 and plant heroin and literally get them convicted for 5 years just because you didn't like them. A state where murder was easy and horrifyingly cheap.... and ultimately just a another business expense. It was a place where you could buy any document you wanted, even a passport and often cheaply. From simple things like "bez prav proverka" (no right to search) - a permit that would mean police could not search you or your vehicle for $5000.00 in Moscow to actual police license plates for $20,000.00 USD meaning no police would ever stop you... to any sort of government ID you wanted for $1000.00 or whatever. It was a state where every government post was for sale. A state where every government official (say Federal Legislature) sold off all related positions (aids, assistants etc), including the 3 federal government license plates they were granted for 100k each. A state where regional legislatures where all nothing more than all the local mafia figures because for a while, laws existed where they were immune from prosecution. Before Putin, it was a nation where the tax system was so broken that people and companies are taxed 100+ percent on profits due to the many conflicting local, regional and federal taxes. He reformed the legal system - where local, regional and federal law were not only in direct conflict with each other, but with the Constitution itself. He reformed the tax system. He created and passed a flat tax and dramatically simplified the tax system itself. He reformed the banking system. Most importantly, he stifled the "King makers" (original 8 oligarchs) and their corrupt influence - including the media empire, which was powerful enough to bring Yeltsin from a 5% approval rating to a second election victory in something like 60 days... only to allow them to pilfer more state assets in return, including many multi-billion dollar companies.

Never in my life will I forget the New Years Eve party at my place, surrounded by drunk Russians as i looked at the TV and noticed Yeltsin giving a speech. His manner seemed rather somber (though he was drunk/high on meds almost all the time and a babbling buffoon anyway for the previous 3 years). I turned up the volume and realized he was resigning as the first elected President of the Russian Federation. A historic moment. He was so disliked towards the end and there was so little trust in government that no one even cared around me. Even older adults puzzled me with their disinterest. No one believed in Yeltsin. No one believed in the Constitution. No one believed in the law. No one believed in Constitutional Rights.

No one believed in the future of Russia.

Putin was Prime Minister for about 6 months and would become President. He was a nobody at the time. We know quite a bit about him today, but at the time, no one knew anything about him. Thats what him being appointed Prime Minister curious. No one understood why this guy was Prime Minister. As Yeltisn read his resignation speech, I immediately realized what happened... A fascinating, silent coup d etat' of the KGB had just occurred. It just occurred in the full view of a weary public who really didn't care and who, as through all of the history of the nation had resigned itself to a miserable and difficult existence and had little to say about it.

Putins first promise to the Russian people as their new President however, was to restore order. He did that and more... and he did it against all odds. It is the nature of people to forget the past and think only about the present. It's easy for people to forget where Russia came from and how it arrived at where it is today. It's easy to forget that Putin was insanely popular during the first 2 terms because of his accomplishments. Because he fulfilled his promises to the Russian people.

It's easy to bash someone as being a "thug" when you have no clue what they were and are fighting and have no understanding of how serious that fight was and continues to be, affecting the very existence and security of a state... and most importantly, have no real understanding of how close that state was to collapsing since the fall of the Soviet Union. You live in the US. You live in Canada. You don't live in a place where spent Uranium constantly comes up missing from plants and shipyards. You don't live in a place where crews of a ship would steal a surface to air weapons system and try to smuggle it to Chechnya. You don't live in a place where attack helicopters would be found broken down and packed into a 40' shipping container bound for N Korea or China with fully functional weapons systems. You live in a place where your biggest concern is the release date for Grand Theft Auto V or a cell phone signal being dropped.

Forgetting about the "right or wrong" of Putins comments... remember this, Obama is weak and ineffectual. That's what attracts this behavior. Obama created the opening. Obama keeps setting himself up. Russia has been perceived in the world as being weak for decades (except by most Russians). It's only natural for any nation to attempt to elevate its status and stature in the world as it directly affects their political and economic relations with others and ultimately their own success and prosperity as a nation. Most importantly, a mature person understands that when Bush was President, Putin was all too happy to put on a cowboy hat and spent a few days at Bush's ranch with those two running around arm in arm. He respected power. And Bush, as inarticulate as he might have been, would not have been so retarded as to threaten a sovereign nation with a military strike without having a full plan in place, objectives defined and without the will to act. If Bush was president, Putin wouldn't have been using Snowden to make the US look weak just because the opportunity presented itself. They would have simply put him on the next flight back to the US or handed him over to the Moscow FBI because Bush was at least smart enough to understand that power only respects power... and that weakness attracts hostility. That game of using Snowden as a pawn would have been a very short one, if it was played at all.

Russia as with most countries as Putin said, is no different than any other state. Full of good and bad. Justice and injustice. Well fed and starving. Happy and unhappy. Satisfied and dissatisfied. Strong and weak. Just as the U.S. is.

The greatest difference between states are most often not real at all.
They are perceived. They are imagined.

09-12-2013, 04:47 PM
TheSquealer BANNED Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In Your Head Posts: 25,083	Putin is an infinitely better statesmen than either Kerry or Obama. The simple fact is that Obama is where he is because he went off prompter and said stupid, naive shit as he often does when he deviates from the script. Kerry fucked things up even worse for Obama with a simple off the cuff remark. Putin, without hesitation capitalizes and their naivete' and idiotic remarks and put the US and Obama Administration right where he wanted them, tied their hands and shut them down. Obama is the one who began making threats, without a plan, without any understanding of what he was talking about and with zero support at home or abroad should he have to carry out his threats. Putin did not do anything other than capitalize on Obama/Kerry mistakes, stall their momentum, gain momentum of his own and keep that momentum going. Sun Tzu would be proud of Putin and would be disappointed with Obama. If there was ever an armed conflict started by Obama it would most likely be because he is right where someone else put him, right where they wanted, when they wanted, how they wanted and doing exactly what they wanted. That is how naive, arrogant and out of his depth, Obama is in global affairs, politics and military strategy and tactics. there both before and after Putin became President, you have no clue what he is about. I was there. He (for all his perceived faults) brought that country back from the abyss created by the Oligarchs, Yeltsin, endemic corruption and a bankrupt state. A state that went bankrupt trying to sell bonds at 50% interest for 6 months turning its entire economy into the worlds largest pyramid scheme. A state that had absolutely no economic plan until for quite a few years - until 1994 and it was completely bankrupt... to stealing a huge part of the Billions and Billions loaned to it by the EBRD, World Bank and others to save itself. Almost all of you have no clue what its like to live in and do business in a nation that has a legal system that is not simply broken, but where each law fully contradicts another law and there is literally zero chance of complying - leaving you constantly vulnerable to people using the legal system to make problems for you, often putting foes in prison. You have no clue what its like to do business where the penalty of not fulfilling your obligations, no matter how small they might have been was a bullet to the head. Before Putin, it was a system where judges, Police, KGB, Customs, government officials and anyone at all could be bought for pennies in the mid/late 90s. A state where you could pay a simple policeman to search a random person down for 50.00 and plant heroin and literally get them convicted for 5 years just because you didn't like them. A state where murder was easy and horrifyingly cheap.... and ultimately just a another business expense. It was a place where you could buy any document you wanted, even a passport and often cheaply. From simple things like "bez prav proverka" (no right to search) - a permit that would mean police could not search you or your vehicle for $5000.00 in Moscow to actual police license plates for $20,000.00 USD meaning no police would ever stop you... to any sort of government ID you wanted for $1000.00 or whatever. It was a state where every government post was for sale. A state where every government official (say Federal Legislature) sold off all related positions (aids, assistants etc), including the 3 federal government license plates they were granted for 100k each. A state where regional legislatures where all nothing more than all the local mafia figures because for a while, laws existed where they were immune from prosecution. Before Putin, it was a nation where the tax system was so broken that people and companies are taxed 100+ percent on profits due to the many conflicting local, regional and federal taxes. He reformed the legal system - where local, regional and federal law were not only in direct conflict with each other, but with the Constitution itself. He reformed the tax system. He created and passed a flat tax and dramatically simplified the tax system itself. He reformed the banking system. Most importantly, he stifled the "King makers" (original 8 oligarchs) and their corrupt influence - including the media empire, which was powerful enough to bring Yeltsin from a 5% approval rating to a second election victory in something like 60 days... only to allow them to pilfer more state assets in return, including many multi-billion dollar companies. Never in my life will I forget the New Years Eve party at my place, surrounded by drunk Russians as i looked at the TV and noticed Yeltsin giving a speech. His manner seemed rather somber (though he was drunk/high on meds almost all the time and a babbling buffoon anyway for the previous 3 years). I turned up the volume and realized he was resigning as the first elected President of the Russian Federation. A historic moment. He was so disliked towards the end and there was so little trust in government that no one even cared around me. Even older adults puzzled me with their disinterest. No one believed in Yeltsin. No one believed in the Constitution. No one believed in the law. No one believed in Constitutional Rights. No one believed in the future of Russia. Putin was Prime Minister for about 6 months and would become President. He was a nobody at the time. We know quite a bit about him today, but at the time, no one knew anything about him. Thats what him being appointed Prime Minister curious. No one understood why this guy was Prime Minister. As Yeltisn read his resignation speech, I immediately realized what happened... A fascinating, silent coup d etat' of the KGB had just occurred. It just occurred in the full view of a weary public who really didn't care and who, as through all of the history of the nation had resigned itself to a miserable and difficult existence and had little to say about it. Putins first promise to the Russian people as their new President however, was to restore order. He did that and more... and he did it against all odds. It is the nature of people to forget the past and think only about the present. It's easy for people to forget where Russia came from and how it arrived at where it is today. It's easy to forget that Putin was insanely popular during the first 2 terms because of his accomplishments. Because he fulfilled his promises to the Russian people. It's easy to bash someone as being a "thug" when you have no clue what they were and are fighting and have no understanding of how serious that fight was and continues to be, affecting the very existence and security of a state... and most importantly, have no real understanding of how close that state was to collapsing since the fall of the Soviet Union. You live in the US. You live in Canada. You don't live in a place where spent Uranium constantly comes up missing from plants and shipyards. You don't live in a place where crews of a ship would steal a surface to air weapons system and try to smuggle it to Chechnya. You don't live in a place where attack helicopters would be found broken down and packed into a 40' shipping container bound for N Korea or China with fully functional weapons systems. You live in a place where your biggest concern is the release date for Grand Theft Auto V or a cell phone signal being dropped. Forgetting about the "right or wrong" of Putins comments... remember this, Obama is weak and ineffectual. That's what attracts this behavior. Obama created the opening. Obama keeps setting himself up. Russia has been perceived in the world as being weak for decades (except by most Russians). It's only natural for any nation to attempt to elevate its status and stature in the world as it directly affects their political and economic relations with others and ultimately their own success and prosperity as a nation. Most importantly, a mature person understands that when Bush was President, Putin was all too happy to put on a cowboy hat and spent a few days at Bush's ranch with those two running around arm in arm. He respected power. And Bush, as inarticulate as he might have been, would not have been so retarded as to threaten a sovereign nation with a military strike without having a full plan in place, objectives defined and without the will to act. If Bush was president, Putin wouldn't have been using Snowden to make the US look weak just because the opportunity presented itself. They would have simply put him on the next flight back to the US or handed him over to the Moscow FBI because Bush was at least smart enough to understand that power only respects power... and that weakness attracts hostility. That game of using Snowden as a pawn would have been a very short one, if it was played at all. Russia as with most countries as Putin said, is no different than any other state. Full of good and bad. Justice and injustice. Well fed and starving. Happy and unhappy. Satisfied and dissatisfied. Strong and weak. Just as the U.S. is. The greatest difference between states are most often not real at all. They are perceived. They are imagined. __________________ . Yes, fewer illegal immigrants working equates to more job opportunities for American citizens. Rochard Last edited by TheSquealer; 09-12-2013 at 04:54 PM..