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Libertarians come in two flavors: Sociopath and Confused. With the latter, it is possible to argue; the former should best seek professional help.
What is a Libertarian? A person who believes that a so-called free market will cure all of the world?s woes. Government, and in particular, taxation, is wasteful and prevents the fruition of individual merit and recompense.
If our Libertarian is clear thinking about his or her position, and thus a sociopath, she will be ready to admit that because she is economically comfortable, or would be without those pesky taxes, everyone else can go to hell.
She?ll say things like it?s the victims of hurricane Katrina?s own fault that they chose not to leave. Certainly she would have left? And will be quite clear in asserting that she matters more than other people because she is more competent than other people in some way that is particularly valuable to her.
While it may be diverting to question her moral culpability, the argument doesn?t have legs to move forward. You?re starting from too divergent a base premise: that people do owe something to each other and should use the government toward that end, or, everyone can go to hell.
The Confused class are more salvageable. They?re uncomfortable (on a sliding scale) with writing other people off. This tortures their argument. For example, this afternoon I was arguing with an acquaintance from undergrad who has since gone full on Libertarian. J. is well intentioned but believes, amongst other things, that without taxes we?d have no FEMA, and without FEMA there would be no one to bungle New Orleans. All you have to do to beat a well intentioned Libertarian is follow their logic.
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50 Reasons Libertarians Are Crazy
"the following are the positions of some prominent and not so prominent libertarians going back to the 1970's and before ... oh yes virginia, they are batshit crazy"
? legalize blackmail... nice picture of you and jack's wife
? legalize heroin, meth, & glue sniffing... let anyone sell this crap as long as there is a buyer
? sell off the national parks... fuck the commons let's set up the mc donalds's
? abolish laws against dog & cock fighting... just animate property killing each other
? privatize the air you breath, the ground you walk on, the air you breath... and you better pay your monthly bill on time
? abolish all licensing: ie if you want to be a doctor or lawyer run over to kinko's and have some business cards made up --- laissez faire suckers
? allow for privatized segregation & discrimination (no jews, n*ggers, catholics, sp*cs, women, people over 50, gays, children allowed)
? legalize insider trading... great way to establish confidence in the financial sector
? abolish animal cruelty laws... ditto animal fighting
? patent the dna of all life forms including humans... we own you baby
? legalize child labor... if it can walk & talk it can work
? declare smoking a celebration of capitalism... just ask ayn rand
? abolish the americans with disabilities act... it's not my fucking fault you can't walk or talk
? legalize child selling... isn't a rich baby always better off than a poor one ?
? privatize and sell off the arctic & antarctic... brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, and set up the mc donald's
? abolish unions... collective bargaining, huh
? replace state & federal prison guards with walmart like security... can you spell T-R-A-Y-V-O-N
? legalize voluntary slavery... it's already called you boss
? abolish animal cruelty laws... rich women in stilleto's stepping on little mice for the hell of it, now that's cool
? believe FDR & EISENHOWER were communists... yep
? declare selfishness the ultimate virtue... and start a lucrative movement doing so
? re-introduce debtors prisons... waterboards anyone ?
? allow individuals to own nuclear weapons or whatever armaments they want... kaboooooooooom
? abolish the anti-trust laws... now that really increases competition
? sell off the rivers, lakes, & oceans of the world
? make the poor, sick, & disabled depend on charity instead of the resources of the state... DIE BABY DIE
? clone slaves out of your own dna... it beats working
? replace the federal reserve with a pc and a chair... brilliant
? let the insurance companies take over the judicial system... my mistake they already have
? privatize outer space... let's all play space zombie
? denounce the idea of a "social contract"... hurray for me and FUCK YOU !!!
? establish exchanges for the buying & selling of human body parts (by paying living people & the families of the dead)
? incentives for voluntary euthanasia of the old & poor --- (let granny sign her life away so the insurance company won't have to pay as much for medical or long term care)
? abolish mandatory emergency room care... socialist ronald reagan signed this into law 1986
? legalize extortion... well if you're going to legalize blackmail you might as well do this too
? abolish/limit medical malpractice suits... you take your chances it could have been worse
? consider the non-payment of bills as cause for arrest and the use of lethal force... god damn right
? abolish public schools... yeah they produce stupid people like bill gates & warren buffett
? establish private armies in place of the US armed forces... ain't blackwater groovy
? re-introduce 18th century style workhouses... we should have killed off all the poor two centuries ago
? abolish usury laws... and voting while we're at it
? claim that societies and even families don't exist --- only individuals... a hard sell at christmas time
? end compulsary education... stuck on stupid it's the libertarian way
? pre-emptive killing of as much as 40% of islamic peoples... and make the rest objectivists
? allow the disemination of snuff movies & kiddie porn... you don't have to watch it you dirty statist
? let companies sue & imprison whistle blowers... how libertarian of you
? legalize prostitution & decriminalize pimping... step right up and get your own little cuppie doll
? abolish social security & medicare... let grandma die, boy was she a bitch
? take the remaining native american lands and sell them off for pennies on the dollar... it's not our fault they didn't understand the intricacies of markets
* send mercenaries to seize nationalized businesses... profit before non-interventionism
* advocate government and private torture in the right situation... that'll teach 'em
* scream bloody murder when governments collect data yet defend corporations that collect, hold, and sell more data than any government has ever collected... WELCOME TO LIBERTARIAN HELL
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