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Originally Posted by nextri
I don't accept that disabling the adzone is a criteria. Your agenda is to stop these sites from benefiting from piracy. Our solution stops that, and that is all you can require of us. So that criteria has nothing to do with what your agenda is.
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Your solution does not stop anyone benefiting from Piracy. The ads remain, the advertiser still gets benefit from the traffic from a pirate site and nobody in the outside world knows that the publisher has been terminated.
How much of your traffic do you think comes from pirate or piracy related websites ? How many of those publishers domains do you think are legitimate ?
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Originally Posted by The Hun
Well, in defense of AK, disabling the adzone would at least show the SURFER they're on a site infringing people's rights.
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It would also show other pirates that there is zero tolerance for piracy at Plugrush, right now it's sounding as if Plugrush isn't all that concerned about the issue.
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Originally Posted by The Hun
Agreed gunner... I also believe one needs to go after the problem. Pirates using ad networks is not the real problem, pirates hosting somewhere is not the real problem either...
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We shut down file lockers and other sites in the file locker eco system by taking every supply of money away from them and getting their hosting shut down.
We go after their payment processing, their hosting, their ad revenue streams and anything else that supplies a cash flow to their infringing site or service.
Take the money away and commercial piracy fails. We have seen site after site shut down when they have run out of money.
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Originally Posted by nextri
Our suggested solution will help a lot more in getting surfers to pay for porn, regardless of whether they get educated or not. What counts is that they take out their credit cards..
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Your suggested solution is nothing but a cynical attempt to keep benefiting from pirate traffic. Even if you're not charging for the ad clicks, the network is getting exposure and you're still providing your advertisers click throughs.
So your solution is that if it's a pirate website you will still display ads, for no other reason than it's not your fight and your ads might cause a pirate to go pay for a porn site.
By your logic if it was a child pornography site you would display the ads, because child protection isn't your fight and your ads might cause a pedophile to go to an adult porn site.
When you take your rationale to the furthest possible extreme your rationale fails, just as in the alternative scenario described above.
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Originally Posted by The Hun
What counts is that we get people to play it fair. I honestly believe you can't educate people to pay for something by showing them ads. I also believe going after the ad networks is not attacking the root of the problem.
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To be fair until now we have not been going after the ad networks, we have been asking the ad networks to terminate the accounts of pirates. That's all we are asking. Terminate the financial accounts of pirates and shut their ads down depriving them of a way to make money.
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Originally Posted by mineistaken
Another shady company exposed.
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Yes, I must admit I am quite disappointed, I had hoped once they were shown the scale of the problem that they would want to be good corporate citizens.
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Originally Posted by mineistaken
So thats why he goes after the next best thing (hosts, ad networks etc that you mentioned). He can not go after "the problem" as you say because (as you say) there are no means.
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Correct. We take away the payment processing, ad revenue and hosting (where possible) of commercial pirates. Without revenue the sites close, we have proven that time and time again.
None of the pirate sites displaying Plugrush ads are "sharing is caring" pirates. They're all in it for a buck.