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Originally Posted by The Hun
So that's still not solving the problem. That's fixing the symptoms. I mean, shutting down every ISP in the world would solve the problem as well? Very noble to fight piracy in any way, but in this case not solving the issue. I believe that the ad networks could help making life hard for pirates, I just believe 'going after them' is not the right thing to do... I would do it in a different tone.
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We don't want to go after anyone in this industry. Do you think I enjoy sitting up all night repeating the same arguments ad infinitum ?
My preference would be that Plugrush stand up and be a good corporate citizen and send a clear message that piracy is not tolerated on their network and when infringing sites are reported and found by them to be infringing that the publisher's accounts are terminated and ad zones blocked.
Sometimes when dealing with third parties we get push back, just like we are getting on this issue from Plugrush. That's unfortunate.
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Originally Posted by looky_lou
It is your responsibility if you truly are anti-piracy! Every step helps. You may not be the end all for anti-piracy, but you are an important step.
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Correct.
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Originally Posted by Biggy
Let me get this straight.
So you have a special feature coded into your software that says if a publisher account is terminated for piracy, then you also don't charge the advertiser for this traffic?
That seems very, very strange. And you'd be the first ad network known to mankind that doesn't charge for impressions based upon terminated sites but delivers it for free. That an advertiser would login, and pay for less impressions than what you actually deliver?
Why put up such a wall? Why not just terminate and cut all ties. You're going to turn around then say you are doing a favor to the industry for this? You going to provide AK the back end and a walk through of your system to prove what you say is actually true. Hell, can anyone back up this guy's claim that he doesn't charge for those zones after he terminates the account? Who here is going to believe that on face value? My money says he won't pay the pub out after the acct is terminated, but he will most definitely continue to charge for those impressions and keep all the $. I'd bet money that he's telling a half truth, or else he'd cut all ties.
If you weren't enjoying some business benefit, then this is exactly what you would be doing... cutting all ties.
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You would think that the last thing Plugrush would want is pirate publishers adding to the load on their network if there is no commercial benefit from doing so. We've all seen ad networks buckling under the strain of high traffic volumes from time to time, there is no way any ad network would want unnecessary traffic that isn't some how being paid for. It doesn't pass the smell test.
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Originally Posted by ravo
I'm a bit hesitant to get into the fray here, as I could be considered a competitor to Plugrush, and hence perhaps a bit unbiased (although our network is magnitudes smaller than PR so I'm not sure we're really in the same league).
I agree, that it's not Plugrush's (or any traffic broker's) responsibility to police their networks for copyright infringement (who's knows what's legal or not, on the face of it?), but once pointed out an obvious infringement (eg. siterips) they should do everything in their power to stop anyone from making any profits from that traffic.
That, in my mind, is to disable the domain and any associated ad zones.
Question: What if the site contained some sort of CP, or beast content? Would you let the adzone remain active?
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Exactly, my point above. Do they still show ads on CP sites because they see it as a public service to steer pedophiles away from nasty stuff in the hope that they will buy a normal adult website membership ? It's not a standpoint that makes any sense at all.
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Originally Posted by signupdamnit
If you REALLY aren't benefiting from the pirate ads then why not disable them? And come on this "we leave them up for the good of the industry" thing is just bullshit.
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After sleeping on this issue, I tend to agree. It just doesn't pass the smell test.
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Originally Posted by Plugrush
Well it's a good thing we don't pay per impression 
On our traffic trading, most publishers are far above 100% on trading too...I guess maybe we are just a really bad company all together???  |
Nobody is saying you're a bad company, however we are asking questions like:
1. Why have you been harbouring support on piracy webmaster forums ?
2. Why not take a clear stance anti piracy and disable piracy ad zones ?
The only thing I can conclude from your position is that you think you will lose a fair chunk of traffic from your network or you are worried about how much of your network is actually piracy derived.
What are you going to do if we find out that 50% of your network's reach is piracy related ?
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Originally Posted by signupdamnit
The thing is even if PR really is delivering the traffic for free to the advertisers it is still benefitting the advertisers and plugrush because it sweetens the deal for them. Plugrush can give their whales the traffic from the pirate sites in order to keep them around. Then other networks who might try to be honest such as say Juicy Ads then have to compete against this.
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Any responsible corporate citizen would disable the ad zones, if for no other reason that to send a clear message that "pirates aren't welcome on our network".
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Originally Posted by The Hun
No, but in my opinion is trying to bully the means of pirates making money into helping your cause isn't going to help. Know you enemy... But more importantly: know who your friend should be. Just saying that you'll catch more flies with honey than with trying to take a piss out of any company.
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Not every action taken through third parties has been taken easily. If you remember back to the genesis of this campaign even Paypal pushed back against helping us shut off sites payment processing.
It took weeks before we reached a point with Paypal where we had a system in place to deal with the issue. Now a file sharing or piracy site is barely able to offer Paypal a few days before we kill them off.
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Originally Posted by SplatterMaster
So if I were to buy traffic from PR for a pay site, that traffic basically comes from pirate sites instead of normal affiliate sites that have paying customers? Even if PR deems a site inappropriate, I still get traffic from that site?  |
Does anyone really want traffic from the same community that uses stolen credit cards to rip sites content and then place that content on file lockers ?
From a risk management point of view, the last traffic anyone should want is nefarious.