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Originally Posted by Choopa Phil View Post
If it came off that way I do apologize. I just find it hard that a credible dr/coach would have anyone on such a low amount of whole food vs supplements. If that is the case so be it...your body not mine. If it works for you...which it should considering the low calorie diet and gear, then thats all that matters.
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It was kinda hard typing on my phone earlier here is a better response and explanation.

Context is everything. I posted that page (which i've actually never even looked at - now that i look at it) just as an example and my main intent was to more say "diet is important, here's what i did". Not start world war 3.

I think that in the interest of context, you should understand mine is not a "low calorie diet". Perhaps for you, it would be a low calorie diet. Further, it would be pretty pointless to be on a "low calorie diet" and be doing a cycle of anything. I am not you. My bmr is 2000-ish, I am doing no cardio and I am trying to choke down 2600 calories a day. If you were 110 lbs a few years ago, that means you are either 9 yrs old, a dwarf or you have a very jacked up metabolism. I'll assume the latter ;). It may be VERY low calorie for you. I would assume you are a hard gainer and have to eat quite a bit more than me to see any kind of mass and strength gains. Its not low calorie for me though. In fact, forgetting about assessments, body fat and lean muscle mass - i go by how I feel, energy levels, my lifts and how i am recovering. The undeniable truth always comes out the moment you get under that weight.

With regard to 3 protein shakes instead of your 3, you should understand that while it may be easy for you to eat and eat and eat, its not for everyone. No one is saying "this is the exact perfect way you should do things". I simply posted an example of what i do. For me, it gets much harder to eat, the cleaner I eat (as i am sure you know). I have no appetite. I crave nothing and i can barely get down 2000 or so calories. It's a struggle. You might not have experienced that but its very hard. The choice is not so simple as "eat 4 more chicken breasts" when i can't eat what i am right now. The choice is "make sure you get enough protein... or not". I have not ever attempted to argue, nor has anyone else, that one shouldn't be getting their cals from whole foods. Thats a no brainer. However, again, training, goals, cycles, individuality and context matters. You are kind of acting like a band of idiots got together and just pulled everything out of thin air. That's hardly the case. In fact, i was using 200mg of EQ a week just to keep my appetite up, which if you've ever done a cycle with EQ works great... but after some discussion, we decided to drop it.

I also didn't go to someone because I needed someone to tell me to eat 2500 cals a day with a 40/40/20 breakdown. Thats pretty basic knowledge. I initially took my GF to him because she needed to hear that she wasn't eating enough food as the primary reason she wasn't losing weight from someone else, not me. I wanted someone to do her body fat and VO2 max and show her how many calories a day she exactly should be eating. While there, i began talking about injuries, working around them, nutrition etc and in the conversation came out the fact that he works closely with a company that prepares meals for medical patients with specific dietary requirements. My primary interest was to have him do the meal plans and I was paying the other company to prepare all my food for me. It cost 250.00 a week. I did it because first and foremost, where I usually fail is with diet. This made it all easy and a no brainer and i didn't have to spend so much time planning, shopping and preparing food which feels at times to be a full time job when you are eating clean. I did that for about 6 weeks and stopped because my GF wanted to cook instead so together, we do it now. I have huge lists of meal plans, i keep the things i like, i keep the total daily calories and breakdowns the same and just do it myself with my GF.

I go back once a month to check body fat/lean muscle mass and i often have a lot of questions. I also go back with my GF when she goes. I also need someone to order my blood work. Visits are $90.00 a month including all my meal plans, assessments and it keeps me on track. It's money i find under my car seat. It's not like i spend 5k a month to get "no shit" advice. I am very happy with my gains right now and so far, all is going perfectly according to plan. I could have easily done this without help... I've done it before. Like everyone else, i make excuses, i get lazy, i start skipping meals etc and ultimately fall apart and get off track. This is something I am doing with my GF together. We both need to make permanent dietary changes and both be on board. Further, I am always happy to have the opinions and help of others and in spite of all my experience and education, i still never inject or take anything without a lot of advice and blood work. I wasn't saying "permanently" as in "for the rest of my life" for test. I will keep on that path until my blood work indicates otherwise. I do however have a few friends that are on what I consider reasonably high doses of test and anavar for around 3-4 years now and they all also get regular blood work done. Besides a doctor telling them to knock it off because their test levels are 1500-ish Anavar is super mild and it doesn't seem to be affecting my liver. I take 10mg of tamoxifen every other day just in case but the masteron also has a slight estrogen suppression effect well. Generally speaking, as long as your libido is fine (as an indicator), you'll be fine but i also get my blood work done to make sure. The cyp/winni/avavar/masteron in those amounts is still a very mild cycle. Saying that winni and var are not for cutting is absolutely wrong. I've also never once heard anyone say "oh, you want to cut? - use Tren, one of the top 3 most powerful anabolics there is". It does have the effect of giving you a harder look as you pointed out. But it is in fact a very powerful anabolic steroid and its nicknamed "6 weeks to slaughter" for a final bulk for cattle before slaughter, for a reason. Anavar for men IS for cutting. Though i understand some people claim decent results on anavar only cycles. However, it is still a very mild drug by any measure and its primary use is for cutting. Clen is a waste in my opinion/experience and no more effective than ECA stacks and that assumes you are not stimulant sensitive and don't get jittery and feel high all the time - even then you have to cycle antihistamines to kick your beta2 receptors back in. Personally, i don't see any reason to mess with T3/T4 and your thyroid when you can use something almost completely harmless like anavar. I can't recall anyone i know every recommending t4 to me in the last 10 years. Your thyroid is easy to screw up and screw up permanently. I think Growth is better suited for supplementation for anti-aging related benefits and even in small doses, i am aware that you can eat a little bit shittier. I just don't really care for it. I was using growth when it was costing me 1500 a month and only a couple companies made it. I tried doing cycles a couple times with serostem/test/deca many years back and i retained so much water that i literally made a "squish squish" noise if i took a step or turned my head too fast.

When i am ready to change gears and make a serious run at mass gains once i get my bf down quite a bit more, i'll cycle off everything most likely for a while and then likely replace winni/masteron with tren. Before I make any decisions in that arena, i always get as much advice as possible from people who are qualified to give such advice, regardless of what i feel i know. I just don't have that much confidence in myself when it comes to making what, to me really a very serious medical decision with potentially serious consequences. Though i read everything i can and have a college level education on chemistry, biochem and A&P (forgot most of it), i still prefer to hear it from other people as experience tends to mean a great deal more than understanding the chemistry. Further, everyones understanding and the types, quality and uses of drugs continues to change. 20 years ago, people would be using dbol and anadrol until their liver shut down. then it was test/deca etc. Today... tren/test/anavar and there is a much better understanding of minimal amounts needed rather than the "more is better" mentality of years past.
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