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Originally Posted by kristin
You can tell a cheater from a real WM because on fraud accounts we don't tell the webmaster, we just shut down their account. If it's a true webmaster they hit you up. 99.9% of the time, we don't get hit up and know it's fraud. Last year, it was getting bad that the frauders were hitting us up asking why their account was shut down. Rather ballsy.
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Really, in my experience 50% of more of fraudster webmasters will hit you up to ask more info and play like they're innocent.
When new affiliate gets signups, the fraud dept checks it, then write an email to new affiliates with strange performance, just to ask more info. I just wrote to one who is doing a $80 pps signup every 8 hits, which could be real since sent very few hits from a cam site review site.
However when the fraud was super obvious, in the past I was simply shutting down "he will figure we busted him", but then 70% of frausters hit up. Then, is easier to write an email at every shut down, even when it is a super sure fraud.
Further, if if you only write "your signups is fraud/you made it yourself, pls stop and go doing this elsewhere", then most of them will reply, saying is not fraud, and I have no proof. Some threat that will write bad reviews in forums, of couse if forum is blackhat, that's not an issue, but GFY it would
So the standard email I send, always include some minimal info, for example: "all the signups you made come from proxy/vpn, example. xxx.xxx.xxx - please read instructions page, we do not allow signups mostly from proxy/vpn. Please send no more, we can't work with you, sorry".
Such a letter does NOT implies he signed up himself or this is a fraud (he can not take offense, can him?), and does not tell all the info (http referers, ratio etc.), still we give the guy one excuse why he breach the tos and we can't work with him.
On a side note, some carders are especially funny. More than one, proposed me: "we can cooperate, I submit there cards and we share 50/50". Obviously some of those carders does not know how merchant account and chargeback works. And some are persistent - another indonesian one who was returning many times (despite I wrote him many times to stop, and he could see I closed his accounts every time anyway), finally bored me enough, so I checked what passwords he used to create accounts, and used them to enter his own emails and messengers. There his stolen credit cards provider was online, and I sent him to hell in indonesian language. He no more returned.
Never understimate the fraudsters.