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Originally Posted by Matyko
Hey, sorry for the tough words. Honestly I haven't had the chance to read the full thread, thus I missed your post you mentioned. I was totally sure that you're talking like this because you live in the opposite side of the planet and can't even tell where these countries are located..
The fact that you're a neighbour too and participated in such fights back then confuses me even more... You're most likely right and older than me and have more experience about these things so I withdraw what I've said, and extra kudos for not sending me simply to fuck off.. I am a rebel soul and maybe its just propaganda OR propaganda makes the rebel side look nicer, but I still believe that there are people over there who really just want their gov to cancel what they do in order to make it a living hell for ukranians.. For Europe they are too russian, for russians they are EU-wannabe fucktards... But the average ukranian just wants to live a normal life where they are. Russia fucks around with these countries like mine and Ukraine to strengthen the russian influence [and rebuild Solviet Union??] and i fuckking dislike this idea..
Once again, sorry, will need to 420 right now i am so mad and will watch that video meanwhile.
Btw you say this letter is nothing more than empty propaganda and its all lies?! It's actually hard to believe...
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No problem and apology accepted. This is perfect example how easily things can escalate with few sentences (imagine it with more serious things and texts like you posted,observations,flammable statements...etc). And now, just imagine adding violence, on existing national tensions that are there in most of countries worldwide(especially if economy is bad, someone is always blaming other side). It is a recipe for disaster and precisely what someone there is trying to do and benefit from anarchy that will rise from mess and civil war. Now, try to think who will get most if Ukraine goes to war and country is divided? Russia don't need another war in it's backyard ,that is for sure.
Precisely same happened in Yugoslavia, problems and war are fueled from outside by arming different nationalities and then let them kill and devastate internally. Who will benefit from violence and demonstrations and what is coming next? What do you think? Let me tell you on what I've saw, learned and what I am now living every day: Banks,and companies.
In Yugoslav case, all of them were from EU/west(and basically took over complete economy of market with more then 22 millions people. That is tons of money that were not available to them before war). Russian investments were blocked by puppet regimes until recently (at least in Serbia) and simplified: other countries are giving orders and telling you what to do in own country. It is called democracy today and it is total shit,much worse then to have own people leading even bad ones(it is always better then foreigners). That is constant feeling of humiliation,mocking and when you see how every year your country is poorer and poorer, then it is already too late because you can't do shit. So I guess that on this theme should comment only people that at least once in a lifetime experienced occupation (that doesn't have to be exclusively by military means, but also through economics, law,and medias). I can write you whole day what countries that bring themselves into this position will have to face and how irritating and unpleasant it is for ordinary people, but I don't have time to do so (one of thing that are crazy is to tolerate terrorist and killers on own territory. Just few hours ago police officers in south of Serbia were attacked by Muslim extremist ( terrorists) and one is wounded. "Democratized" country don't have right to answer to that or it will again be some human rights problems and similar shit that is used as excuse to attack or put pressure on country (like they are talking about human rights in Ukraine right now). Those are things, that you need to feel on your own skin, and at that point, find out how you were actually wrong and that there is no way back or any kind of choice. I am afraid that that good % of Ukrainians simply don't know this and will get into same trap (if it ever happen).
Anyway,I am far away from theme so I will respond to your question: No, I don't think it is deliberate propaganda. Person that wrote it probably really feel what is written there. Problem is that those kind of statements and texts are used to make things worse and increase tensions between people and add some more paranoia. I also believe that government is doing bad things to own people to stop mess. It is nothing strange and every country in this world will do the same , and put pressure on people that they are holding responsible. It is not reserved for Ukraine only. What is important is to everybody stay calm because any scenario is better then civil war,violence and devastation. If country split , they will again give tons of money to weapons instead to improve quality of life. Again,someone form outside will benefit again from that, not people there. So, my personal opinion is that for millions of ordinary people any option is better then violence or war. Again, no one is letting Ukraine in EU and it won't ever happen so they should better stick to Russians that already gave them 15 billions and lowered price of natural gas. Any scenario is better then civil war and agresion that is one uneducated boxer is advocating. Even if complete country goes to "western" direction,it is better then war. There is also option to split country like it was case in Czechoslovakia but I doubt they are on that civilization level to do it and learn on other's mistakes.