Originally Posted by mineistaken

We are not speaking about bitching from marketing point of view. Maybe bitching to themselves. My point is that everybody in adult are not happy about tubes, they just adapted and accepted that they would make less money.
So they may not bitch but they know that it is not as good as it could have been without tubes. As simple as that.
Well there may be exceptions like manthief who implemented it on the grand scale first.