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Originally Posted by Matt 26z
If the cop wasn't strong enough to take this guy down he should have used non lethal force before it turned into a serious wrestling match.
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He did use non-Leathal force. In the way of wrestling him down. It obviously didn't work.
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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz
The reason the victim fought back was the hard knee to the head with his face on the ground. The security guard / cop should of stepped away. The man had no weapon. He could of stood to the side with his taser drawn till backup arrived.
The guy got in the fight due to the cab driver throwing change at his newlywed wife still in her wedding dress. Pretty hard not to fight back against anyone putting all their weight into a knee to the side of your head like the "cop" did.
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Should have, would have, could have...
We see non-Leathal force not work. What do you think he is suppose to do while getting pummeled in the face and head? Reach for a taser that he may not be able to reach and no guarantees that it will work at close distances?
We see a trained cop on his back getting hit 2 times in the face by a man who is obviously stronger and now on top of the cop. The once subdued Perpetrator has now become the lethal aggressor. What could have happened if The cop didn't fire his gun in self defense?
Get hit more? Get beaten retarded? (I have seen that happen), Or even worse; could have been disarmed and shot by his own gun. Which is a very real situation.
I have worked with LAPD and LA County Sheriffs teaching BJJ 15 years ago when they 1st started incorporating BJJ in their hand to hand combat tactics. I have personally done drills with rubber guns, gun belts and used mock aggressors.
This is back before UFC was big during a time when cops thought they couldn't be taken down and didn't think their guns could be stripped away from them.
Guess what? Me and my instructor Rigan Machado and his brothers figured out when we are within a range of 3 feet from the police officers and their guns holstered, we were able to take them down, subdue them, disarm them and actual put the guns to there heads and the officer was not able to get us off.
We did not just do this once, we did this to 40+ people one after the other with the officers knowing what we were able to do.
Horrified, they added BJJ to their hand to hand combat tactics. And after experiencing our demonstrations the rules LASD came up with was: If an aggressor knowingly attacks an identified officer of the law and demonstrates no respect for the law and the officers that are sworn to uphold it, and if the aggressors further escalates the assault by taking the officer down to the ground, the aggressor at this point has demonstrated his bad intentions, putting the officer in a position to fear for his life. Thus limiting his options of non-leathal force and forcing him to go to the next step to preserve his own life... lethal force.
Solution when an aggressor takes you to the ground: Get your ground bearings and Shoot that fucker!!
Every cop has trained every fucked up ground and weapon situation, with a full knowledge on what the consequences are if you hesitate or make a mistake.
Not trying to be a know it all dick, but If you have not been there, you can't judge.
Sad situation all the way around, but justified.
Read this: and after that Google: 'Cops shot by their own guns"
http://www.policeone.com/close-quart...-R-I-Policies/
Just Dave