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Old 05-06-2014, 12:47 PM  
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Originally Posted by TheSquealer View Post
I understand you are unusually irrational. I also get that in these discussions, you are really expressing affection for your animal and emotional attachments and not really trying to make a valid point. And though instant flashes of moral intuition and intuitive emotions/responses guide the bulk of our decisions through those initial flashes of emotions we feel and where everything said after the fact is often little more than a nonsense post hoc rationalization of the emotion.... there are those who such as yourself who are wholly incapable of later engaging rational reasoning to at least attempt to use reason to rationalize the emotion and the manner in which you irrationally expressed it.

Never the less... i am going to try to help you with some obvious, indisputable facts, knowing full well that it will certainly be in vain.

This is all very simple stuff.

It is all Basic Genetics 101.

You can take any group of animals, select the ones with the traits you desire (aggression) and breed it with animals with similar traits and in a few generations, you have a completely different animal with new behavioral traits.

This stuff has been done since the beginning of time.

Here is a very common scenario with certain breeds such as pitbulls.

Dogs have been bred to fight.
Dogs that like to fight attracts dickheads who think its cool to own such dogs.
Dickhead knows other dickheads with ill tempered pitbulls.
Dickheads are proud of their aggressive animals
Dickheads are likely to breed their aggressive/large animals to create more aggressive large animals.
... and on it goes

That doesn't mean every single pitbull is bad. It means the genes are out there. It means the genes for aggressive behavior in certain breeds are always out there and always spreading.

But its pretty fucking obvious that when cunts gravitate towards pitbulls, there is always going to be an increased likelihood of them having animals that are ill tempered, aggressive and they will be more likely to be bred to similar animals... creating more of the same and worse. Those animals are then out there breeding with other animals. Just because a particular animal does not visibly possess certain behavioral traits, does not mean those traits are not in his genes and are not being passed along to other similar and dissimilar breeds.

It's also quite insane to pretend this has not happened to a great extent in the past with certain breeds, such as pitbulls... particularly when these dogs are and have been specifically bred to fight.

Pretending animals don't have genetic behavioral traits requires an irretrievably deluded perspective (i.e. a sheepdog will instinctively try to herd anything around it that moves - in spite of having no prior exposure or training to herd anything).

A simple fact of genetics is that any individual here could create a crazy strong, violent and aggressive dog through breeding alone and it can be done in just a few generations of proper selective breeding.... and it will not matter in the slightest bit how good the owners are with the dog when their genes are wired for certain behavioral traits and dispositions. They can act out violently at any moment, regardless,... as they frequently do.

Additionally, just because someone can point out attacks from Lab happen - that doesn't mean those tendencies didn't originate from a pitbull or animals specifically bred to be agressive in its lineage.

There is a reason we all do not own tigers or rattlesnakes or grizzly bears and are not constantly say "its the owners, not the grizzly bears - so we need to stop all this grizzly bear specific legislation" - Animals are exactly what their genetics and environment made them to be. We, as with animals are all the product of genes+environment. It's not an "either / or" discussion. With certain breeds, there is undeniably bad owners and bad owners selecting (intentionally or not) for bad genes.
I grew up with a father who was a major hunter. We always had dogs (Labrador Retrievers) that led two lives, house pets and hunting companions for my father. My father always took great pains finding dogs with hunting backgrounds in their lineage. It was obvious from 10 weeks on the dogs just "got/understood" what game my father was training them for.

Training and environment is important but training a dog with the right DNA traits is much easier and natural. To say Pit-Bulls aren't pre disposed to be aggressive is to ignore basic dog breeding facts.


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