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Originally Posted by sperbonzo
I"m curious.... I loath both Democrats and Republicans, but it has been interesting to watch CNN, MSNBC, CBS and ABC completely drop any hard nosed investigative reporting into civil liberties violations, cover-ups, corruption, etc... under this administration. For example, I find it funny when I see people saying that Obama was not terrible for killing about 5000 people with drones, (300 of them children) in other sovereign countries with whom we are not at war, because Bush killed hundreds of thousands. (It seems like saying "we shouldn't convict this murderer for killing only one kid, since there are serial killers out there".)
So my question is: If hard evidence was to come out that this administration actually lied to the people, covered up things, actively obstructed congresses ability to find out pertinent facts, etc... would the Democrats on this board be upset by that, or would they just say things like, "The other team did it first!", or "The other team did worse stuff!" ?
Or would any evidence, no matter how strong, be automatically dismissed as "political"?
Any thoughts?
Honestly interested to hear....
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Where are you grabbing these numbers? 5000 people killed by drones in countries we are not at war with? Come on.. I'm not in agreement at all with the current drone war but lets not "inflate" the numbers and try to make it sound as if every drone related death has been women and children in countries we aren't at war with.
The only numbers I've seen since Obama took office is roughly 2400. That is not quite but close to half the number you just threw out there. Where did the other 2700 deaths come from that you are claiming?
Also Just because the number is 2400 dead, does not mean that it was 2400 women, children and poor farmers innocently killed. I don't like the fact that innocent people are killed but the fact is insurgents & tangos were the bulk of the deaths.
I don't like that we are doing drone strikes in countries we aren't at war with, but fuck if countries like Pakistan allow wanted terrorist like bin Laden to live in a city next to one of their best military schools and claim they know nothing..
Not to mention they were doing little to nothing in tracking down insurgents whom were hiding on the Pakistan side of the boarder while attacking our troops in Afghanistan.
As for Somalia and drone attacks there, fuck what else do you expect us to do, when they don't even have a functioning government. Do you not see the news with all the Somali pirates hijacking ships? Should we just pretend it's not happening and do nothing to stop the tango's from organizing there?
Last but not least is Yemen whom has worked with the US and has allowed the drone strikes.
Again I'm not 100% on board the whole drone attack idea, but I understand the reason they are used and it's not like you make it out to be as if the US is just randomly striking with drones in countries with out any permission.
Not to mention your death toll numbers are over double what any report I've seen has said..Lets at least get facts right.
Would you rather we sent actual troops into places like Somalia where they have no back up or real contingency plans if things go wrong?