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Originally Posted by Robbie
That NPR link uses the Brenan study.
They called people on the phone and asked them if they had an ID. lol
It's not a real study that shows anything close to real numbers.
I would imagine that 9 out of 10 people hung up the phone when they realized they were just cold called by a think tank. And the rest might have told the truth or might not have.
Not even close to actual numbers.
And every story, just like the NPR one you just linked to, use the Brenan "study" as their "proof".
I just don't think that is accurate data under any circumstance.
And if you're telling me that all the "poor" "minorities" who just couldn't get a govt. issued picture ID of any sort...were then able to get college ID's (I thought they were poor?), Costco ID's (I thought they were poor?), and credit cards (I thought they were poor?) and use those...then I say to you:
If they can get all of that, and are just raring to go to vote (lol)...then why on Earth are they not able to get a govt. issued picture ID?
It just doesn't make sense.
As for getting a "special govt. issued ID"...uh, yeah. That's what a valid "ID" is. Try going to a nightclub and see if they let you in with your Costco card. Or buy a beer at the store and see if they let you do that.
Here in Nevada you can go to the DMV and get an 8 year ID card (expires and has to be renewed every 8 years)
Here is the cost:
Under 18 years old: $9.25.
18 ? 64 years old: $21.25.
65 years old or older: $7.25.
Doesn't seem like that should be out of reach for anybody.
I even googled up to find out if the fee can be waived for homeless people and other's who are too poor.
Found a page full of links for that. Looks like it's true in every state (though I did not take the time to fully investigate that).
From everything I can see...there is no reason (except for very old people who were born before records were kept properly and have no birth certificate) for any healthy person in the United States of legal age to NOT have some form of ID.
It's easy to do, it's cheap, and if you can't pay...the govt. will waive the fee apparently.
And again, on that Brenan report...they literally called a small sample of people on the phone and asked them if they had ID.
And every anti-voter ID site in the world uses THAT "study" as "proof".
I say that because all the ones I found on Google had links to sites and they all cited Brenan. Just like the NPR link you posted.
I have yet to find anything that doesn't use that "study" as the basis for their flawed thinking.
I even found a link that "Debunked" a newspaper story about how inaccurate the Brenan report was. Guess where I found that? On the Brenan website! LOL!!!
So the people who made some phone calls and are cited as proof...then "debunked" (The word "Debunked" was actually in the page title) a newspaper story that called them out on it!
That's as bad as the Dept. Of Justice investigating itself. heh-heh
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As I have said before in this thread, if the voter ID laws were just about ID I wouldn't have a problem with them. Most states could quickly come up with a solution for those who are too poor or in a bad situation and can't afford or aren't able to get to the location to get an ID.
The problem is that most of these laws also want to restrict other voting options. They do things like restrict registration dates, reduce the days for voting, change where and how you can vote and other things like that.
If they just want a vote ID bill, great. Put up a bill that is just about voters having to get and show an ID to vote. But don't put in a bunch of other shit that is meant to reduce the number of votes cast and call it bill that is meant to fight fraud when in reality it is a voter suppression bill.