thefreakybeaver

Paysites would not be paying this if they weren't making money off the surfers in other ways. I bet most member areas have agressive upselling going on and if they worked to retain members then they wouldn't have to worry so much right? Retain the members instead of sending them off to another porn site so you make a quick signup price like webmasters do.

And I'm sure most of the webmasters you were paying were only making $35/signup not $40 as you stated.

This is the paysite operators business and they should be the one taking the risk of losing some income that they will never notice is gone in the first place. Not passing it on to the webmasters who promote there sites, unless it is ABSOLUTEY REQUIRED to stay afloat. (nobody has given a firm YES we HAVE to do this or we'll lose far more money than we are able to)

I'm sure in the last year with the cross sales and popups, your profit margins have SKYROCKETED. Now that you won't make that HUGE amount of extra income that you didn't have last year anyway, why should the webmasters take the 100% cut?

If I worked for a boss and he treated his clients like shit which caused him to lose some money, would I think a cut in my pay was fair? Hell no, that's his job to grow his company, keep his customers happy, not mine.

If your comments above were how it was, you'd of NEVER offered these payouts and would all be driving pintos and living in 1,000 square foot homes lmao

Marc De: if you are stating that lowering payouts should have happened a long time ago as it wasn't working out, do NOT use this new regulation as an excuse. These are the things I have problems with. Just say we cannot afford to pay webmasters the signup price we pay now because we are losing TOO MUCH money, instead of we HAVE TO lower to payouts because of the new 1% chargeback rule.

Lens: It's not the webmasters fault that certain sites retain and certain ones do not. Isn't that the paysite owners job to keep tweaking their sites to make more members stay? Webmasters bust their ass to send the sites their traffic, it's the paysite owners job after that. If I send a signup, do you best to keep that surfer on your site for as long as possible.

I don't surf join pages and members areas so I don't know which programs take that hard earned signup and then send them off to a different programs' site instead of trying to retain them for their own sites. But I have seen alot of ppl talk about doing just that here at GFY so maybe that logic is where the flaw it?

I don't think webmasters will ever be phased out as some of the big tgps refuse to use hosted galleries because it causes the traffic levels to plummet. Ppl want new fresh porn and hosted galleries don't quite measure up. Avs traffic is one of the best out there if not the best, do you think paysite owners will no longer need these either?

All of this from people who have multiple expensive cars, homes, vacation homes, blow money at webmaster conventions to show off and who knows what else they have big money for. Do you think losing $20,000-$100,000+/year like some webmasters are facing now would put a dent in your lifestyle? Most of the big paysite owners probably wouldn't even miss it if they made $500,000 less a year.

Maybe I'm just humble but if I had a house that cost around $300,000 or less and a few fancy cars, a pool, game room etc that would be enough for me to be content. Oh and a hottub of course.

I'm am just worried that if webmasters take this now without bitching, what happens next? $10/signup across the board?

And what about the programs that have a very low chargeback ratio? Now that the big guys announced their $10 price cut will everyone follow suit just because they can or will they look at their own situation and adjust consumer costs and webmaster payouts on the basis of what they feel is needed?

And if what the paysite owners are hoping for comes true. The more signups to offset the lower price per signup. Well then I'll be happy but I do not see it happening.

So what I am getting at is that some owners are just letting $$$ signs and greed get in the way of helping those that help them.

---Just got this email from gigacash and they pay $42 per signup now---

Dear GigaCash Webmasters,

As many of you may have heard already Visa just
issued a new chargeback policy which reduces tolerable
chargeback ratios to 1%.

Rest assured GigaCash has always had extremely low
chargebacks due to our proactive fraud watch policies.

You are in solid hands with GigaCash. Regardless of such
obstacles we will continue paying *TOP* industry payouts.

Payouts will remain the same as we complete our assessment
of these new policies next week and will keep you informed of
any and all changes via email and our website.

---At least they are going to test the waters instead of jumping ship before they know just how this will affect them ---

Bottomline is how much I average per click from a sponsor and those that convert worse than others I still promoted because at least they made me enough money to warrant my hard work. I see the possibility of ars, silvercash, topbucks etc to start losing MAJOR webmasters, therefore decreasing their sales and increasing their chargeback ratios.

I know I can choose who to promote, but i like to promote a big number of sites across a large amount of programs to ensure if one goes under I don't go with it. And because some sponsor sites do better than others.


But only time will tell I guess. I just think the big paysite owners are shooting themselves in the foot and taking from the webmaster an amount that may not be 100% warranted by this new rule.

Now for those like ars and silvercash, you state you needed popups to offset the cost of the high (absurd) webmaster payouts, now that you are lowering payouts are you going to either lower the amount of popups (that webmasters do not get credited for) you use or get rid of them. Very interesting question that I think I can honestly say will not get a YES answer.