Originally Posted by Donny

Heroin and meth aren't anyone's enemy. It's human frailty and lack of self governing in so many people that is to blame. Had the people who OD'd on heroin or meth - and the dealers themselves for that matter - had an ounce of control and a modicum of knowing what's best for themselves and those within their sphere of influence, their time inside "the evil world of drug addiction" would have been vastly different.




You can delude yourself into thinking that if it were not for meth and alcohol, my brother's life would not have been messed up, but the facts speak for themselves. My brother himself, coupled with all those in his past who had a hand in messing with his head, and the meth dealers for their roles in taking advantage of him when they just as easily could have been a coach and advisor, are the real culprits in my brother's death after his body just finally couldn't handle all the damage done to it. If meth and alcohol didn't exist, then someone like him very easily would have found other ways to abuse his body.




I'll say one last time: crusades to eradicate methamphetamine are misguided and futile. If you want more people to stop using meth, you need to work on what drives them to it in the first place, and then much like the counseling they receive in rehab, you counsel them towards a different path and then let them decide for themselves. You might also figure out a way to offer meth dealers an alternative means of making $300 to $1500 + per day. :D



Sadly, you don't see it CDSmith, but because people are really screwed up doesn't mean we don't try to reduce the damage they do to themselves by making things like methamphetamine more difficult to obtain.

Porn harms just as much as meth, CD. Brain science demonstrates that it rewires the neural pathways in the brain in exactly the same way an addiction to heroin rewires the neural pathways in the brain.

Yep, we've got lots of problems. That doesn't mean that simply because there are so many alternative areas in which we can fight for a plethora of causes, we don't pick a battle to fight and start fighting it. Pornography is seen as "no big deal" and "everyone does it," so people just consume it like nothing else. I and others are here to educate people. It DOES harm lives. It DOES rewire the brain. It DOES make people see others more as objects than as people. It DOES harm marriages and lead to greater infidelity.

While I did indeed post links to articles online that are written more for the regular consumer than the academic, you'll notice I referenced peer reviewed, scientific studies. You didn't do that. You linked only to articles in which the opinion of the writer is shared. When I challenged you to do research, that's not what I meant. I mean get into the actual, scientific studies. Even if a doctor is writing an opinion piece... it's still an opinion piece. Studies overwhelmingly show porn devastates lives. I realize you like it. I realize you want to justify being a part of it. I get it: you don't want to give up your lifestyle, and you wish to reject the facts. But after this thread you cannot deny that you were made aware of evidence that shows what you do impacts people just as badly as meth.

What you don't seem to see is that what I'm doing is EXACTLY what you recommend: educating people and giving them reasons to stay away from something harmful. I'm not trying to legislate, but only to educate and then let people decide if they REALLY want to be part of such a harmful supply-and-demand cycle.

By the way, I cannot remember the details of when you invited me to seek you out and converse. Can you refresh my memory?