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Originally Posted by Biggy
The point is similar to the reply above this. Tube sites need content. If there's less content being produced, that's bad for a tube long term, it makes their own offering weak. They may not see the interests as totally aligned, it's because they haven't thought about it...
Imagine a world where half the content being shot today is now the total pool of "new content". Imagine this in 3 years, or 5 years, or 10 years. If you're a large tube, you probably plan on being in business in 5 years so apply the current trajectory. How good is any tube going to really be when youre looking at content from 10-15 years before? Now imagine a world where content production is double or triple what it currently is over that same time period. Imagine how much better those tube sites will be.
That's really the point I am trying to make. In other businesses, they give the content away to sell the live performance. In mainstream they also have merchandise. In our business we have live cam shows, but thats not really connected the same way it is for other industries. If the tubes keep feeding the live cam sites to the point that theres no new (Cams are tubes biggest revenue streams), and the good content to keep people entertained at the tube sites is reduced over time, then eventually the cam sites may become more powerful than the actual tube sites themselves.  |
We are really saying the same thing. I agree 100%. The bottom line: if Producers stop producing new content then the tubes will have to rely on an ever-dwindling pool of new content to feed their surfers. Tubes could avoid this pitfall of no new content IF they were creative and did some things I will actually be doing soon. LOL But their mentality is using content to sell ads, dick pills, cams, etc, it's NOT how to better utilize content, either 'user-uploaded' or via a Content Partner Program.
Tubes will attempt to counter this trend by making associations as with Ruseful (and I am sure others). So in short order the top 20 or so production houses will all be separated out between Mind Geek tubes, XHamster, XVideos, this and that. Every tube now has their own stable of production teams creating new videos just for them. Thus the tubes will, in effect, become Producers themselves.
How long before tubes just pay Content Partners a flat fee per video? That's the future I believe.
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Originally Posted by Squirtit
A few weeks back I had a really high traffic spike, and correlating sales spike. I checked my stats and it was pornhub. I go on their front page and see two videos from my new site featured on the front page. Tens of thousands of views and tons of likes and favorites. I ride it out for a few days until the sales die down then DMCA them via my PornGuardian account.
A few days later I decide to try and work with Pornhub and signup to be a content partner. I hear back a day or so later that they love my content (surprise), it would be a great fit etc. They tell me to create an account under my site name. I did. Then they said signup with trafficjunky, I did. Then they said send us banners in xyz size etc. etc. I reply back no problem just sign up for my affiliate program and gave them a link. Never heard back. Sent a couple follow ups, never heard back.
So yeah the tube got a couple of my videos with cumshots for a week, I got some sales. They lost my videos and never hit me back to continue making money with me. Doesn't make any sense. Counter productive.
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PH has had some shakeups recently. The main point person for their CPP is gone now so others there are scrambling to fill his spot. I would keep at it. Send a couple more emails. Plus remember, it's August so many are on vacation (then there's the upcoming EU shows LOL).
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Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii
That's awesome. I support you 1000%. If I can be of any help I am glad to.
One just has to check the B2C forums and realize the masses are grumbling about shitty tubes. That's where much of what I said came from. Consumers.
I really don't support tubes who are not content producers though. Content Producers need to make their own tubes and hire someone to develop if they have to. We have started some tubes over the past 4years. Real tube channels not the fake shit the big guys are doing. Our conversions for one program are around 1:17. We give the surfer multiple options of what to do and we do not annoy the fuck out of them with irrelevant products and pop ups.
People wonder why ADBlocker is so popular now...Thank the tubes.
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Absolutely true. And you know that people are lazy, and when the money is rolling in, as it is now with the biggest tube sites, people just party and live for the moment. I don't care how 'corporate' a tube site or adult company is, it's still PORN and thus attracts a certain type of mentality. While some companies think long-term and plan to stay in business for decades if possible, many others approach the porn biz as a way to make as much quick cash as they can and get the fuck out.
Tubes could do a MUCH better job of presenting content, monetizing pages, their overall approach could be improved big time. But do you see any of that? How often do you see a tube play around with how to present content? It's all the same little thumbs, a giant page of thumbs, it's incredibly boring and repetitive. I'm sure it helps with ad sales, cam sales, etc, but it's not helping the content Producers, and this will be a major problem moving forward for tubes. It already is happening.