JustDaveXxx

Thank you buddy.

Thank you.

I like to think I speak what we all at the higher end know about production.





Kill fees? Yea thats a long one to explain. But here we go:


Kills get paid out for different people depending "when" the scene gets killed.


If the scene gets killed "before" makeup because the girl can't shoot, (Too many bruises, pimples on her ass if its an ass shoot, bad razor burn, out break, etc), If thats the case you can get away with just rescheduling everyone. If the home owner is cool, you also won't have to pay the $100 an hour , 1st hour location fee.


Things start to change after makeup.


You kill a scene after make up, say after pretty girl stills, thats where it starts to add up.


Say your shooting a BBG: Thats what the client wants. If one girl is sore and can't perform, and those are the pairing the company wants, you have to pay: $150x2 for 2 make up jobs(The Make up artist did her job and left already), 3+ hours for location at $100 per hour(Location has been used), $150 for your PA, because he has already unloaded and set up equipment and a $200 kill for the girl thats not getting her rate because the scene isn't getting shot(Thats Standard). The guys are generally pretty good with just a reschedule.


Thats $950 out of your pocket and you still have to shoot the scene on another day. Clients pay for completed scenes, not for producers problems.

This is how it breaks down: Make up is gone already with her check when she's done. Try not paying your PA, see if he comes back to work for you next time, he has already been working for you. Try not paying location, see how that turns out. Try not paying the girls their $200 kill fee, see if her agent or that girl ever works for you again.


This is more of the mid level to higher end standards. If your doing POV at home with no PA, No make up artist, and your shooting it at your apartment, you won't catch all of these fees. But you will still get hit with an agency Kill fee for the girls wasted time.


I avoid some of these fees by doing makeup at my studio before I drive to location. There I make sure the girl is free from marks and is actually able to shoot.


Was on set shooting camera for my buddy who was directing an important scene. Long story+script, car shots, dialogue, street shots, 4 room storyboard, undress tease, etc. It was a BGG, I personally would have never hired that particular guy because I knew what was gonna happen, but it was not my call. When we were finally ready for sex 16 hours in, one of the girls pussy was too sore from being with her boyfriend the night before. She couldn't put a finger in without crying.


Talk about shaking my fucking head!!! Location rate was murderous because the guy also had serious wood issues. Everything on the planet was going wrong. My friend asked me "what would you do??" Thats when I took control of this train wreck, I was able to shoot it out of sequence with a shit ton of lube and a shit ton of waiting. Two cameras and my experience as an editor saved the situation. Saw the edits 3 days ago. Scene is flawless looking. lol


My buddy learned the lesson of "why I book good guys". He learned that shit with his check book!! Warned him before that too.


16 hours on set sucks!! I have a saying I always say: "In two months, people are gonna see a good scene or a bad scene, nobody is gonna know if it too 4 hours of 16 hours to shoot"



Good questions.

Lets talk about whats good in a money standard. This is where clients that know nothing like to really chinch out on the budget. Clients think that $200-$300 guys are the way to go to save money. I have spent 5 hours trying to get a decent looking scene out of a $400 guy. If Im paying location at $75-$100 an hour, price goes up quick.


Any guy worth shooting in LA is gonna be at minimum, $500-$600. Thats the low average guy that can do the job. And thats no guarantee that he can do it. If he's fighting with his girlfriend or his mind or the girl is a bitch to him, your gonna be fucked!! And as a director you really have to tell them what you want and how you want it without stressing them out limp. Fine line you need to walk with getting what you want and not totally fucking yourself.


Good guys who work all of the time start at $700. At this rate, the scene is 99% a done deal and a decent size dick. No worries. Can get a good real(not mechanical looking scene)looking BG scenes with 25-30 usable minutes, in 50-60 minutes.


At $800 your getting a big dick, 30 min of usable footage in 35 min. Guaranteed 100% completed scene.


At $1000, you getting a big dick and 30 min of usable in 30 min. with zero cuts. Guaranteed 100% completed scene.



The super beauty about guys that are $700 and up, is that you really don't have to tell them shit. They know what to do, they are excellent on positioning+ opening up, they are all packing heat, and you are guaranteed to have a solid scene when your done.


The issues that always seem to come up are this: Cheaper clients don't want to foot the bill on the better guys, because they see a BG scene cut together and as long as its exposed and in focus correctly, they don't care and are happy. The better guys don't give a shit if you don't hire them, because all of them are booked out 30+ days in advance. No deals no negotiations, because they all work all of the time and are always in high demand.


The funniest thing I ever heard 9 years ago when I wanted to hire better guys was this: "You can pay me my rate and have a kick ass scene and be out of location quick or save money on a budget no-name guy, be there all day long, pay that much more in location fees and have a mediocre scene." I think of that saying every time I book scenes. lol



Brazzers, Jules Jordan Video, Evil Angel directors, Elegant Angel, all have a thorough understanding on how a real good guy "drives" the scene.


Hope this helps you understand some things.


Just Dave

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