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Originally Posted by aka123
You get catching fishes, but not other prey? Also, the catch and release has mostly to do with sustainable fishing, more than ethical thing. For example pike angler catching bait fish, killing it, putting it as a bait, getting pike and releasing it, isn't actually because of avoidance of killing. At least you kill some maggots, worm, bait fish, etc, if using natural bait.
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Well, my whole point was to question *beyond* the ethics and morality. Even if you don't catch & release, the way a photog or researcher "catches" their "prey", you catch & bake. Your purpose, your satisfaction, is beyond is beyond the kill. But these lion & rhino & giraffe hunters, what is their satisfaction? There's no way you're culling with lions and other endangered species, and culling giraffes occurs in zoos and other closed environments for breeding and biodiversity reasons. Not in free-range wildlife environments. Which is why a very limited number of permits are issued, usually to drum up financing...
But as I said beyond all that functional, logistical, ethical and moral stuff - what makes someone like this woman want to perch and wait, line-up and target, and finally shoot dead any animal? Where's the pleasure?
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And what's that shit about unarmed animal? Show me even one predator (specie) that want's to be killed or injured while hunting? If you have watched even some nature documentaries you know that predators go for the weakest and easiest pray. That is probably why you hunt mostly at the supermarket; easiest and safest.
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Well I know what you mean about the "unarmed animal" thing. But those nature docs and stuff, reality and the natural order, are completely different than nice, clean, sanitized shooting-gallery killings of animals in their environment.
Nature kills to survive, renew itself, persevere. What do "hunters" kill for nowadays, when it's not for meat? The lioness doesn't get off on the kill of the zebra, she is satisfied with the day's food for her and her pride...
As I wrote, or questioned, is it maybe a vestige of our "hunter" gene being expressed when the people like the huntress of giraffes kills? I certainly wouldn't get off on lining up an animal in my scope and blowing a hole in its heart to watch it fall twitching and bleed out and die.
And you're right, as an omnivore, I like meat and prefer the (apparently and let's just say for the sake of argument) more "humane" variety I get at the butcher shop...
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Same goes with war, some guys seem to have unbelievable views about "fair fight". Well, good if you want to die, otherwise not so good. Using some common sense you will get why fair play is shit.
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Heh the "fair fight" honorable warrior thing is probably all myth, good for ancient legends and modern comic books.
I'm sure the majority of soldiers fight to defend, to achieve strategic goals, and so on... but then there are those guys who go rogue, kill anyone, collect ears, fingers, even skulls, and take pictures pissing on corpses... "souvenirs" or trophies if you will.
Like I said, no ethics or morals questions here, I just want to know what makes someone want to kill, easily without challenge or real "need", whatever it is that is proferred as target.
And it looks to me that the "fun" and jizz is in the killing...
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