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Originally Posted by MediaGuy
Well, my whole point was to question *beyond* the ethics and morality. Even if you don't catch & release, the way a photog or researcher "catches" their "prey", you catch & bake. Your purpose, your satisfaction, is beyond is beyond the kill. But these lion & rhino & giraffe hunters, what is their satisfaction? There's no way you're culling with lions and other endangered species, and culling giraffes occurs in zoos and other closed environments for breeding and biodiversity reasons. Not in free-range wildlife environments. Which is why a very limited number of permits are issued, usually to drum up financing...
But as I said beyond all that functional, logistical, ethical and moral stuff - what makes someone like this woman want to perch and wait, line-up and target, and finally shoot dead any animal? Where's the pleasure?
Well I know what you mean about the "unarmed animal" thing. But those nature docs and stuff, reality and the natural order, are completely different than nice, clean, sanitized shooting-gallery killings of animals in their environment.
Nature kills to survive, renew itself, persevere. What do "hunters" kill for nowadays, when it's not for meat? The lioness doesn't get off on the kill of the zebra, she is satisfied with the day's food for her and her pride...
As I wrote, or questioned, is it maybe a vestige of our "hunter" gene being expressed when the people like the huntress of giraffes kills? I certainly wouldn't get off on lining up an animal in my scope and blowing a hole in its heart to watch it fall twitching and bleed out and die.
And you're right, as an omnivore, I like meat and prefer the (apparently and let's just say for the sake of argument) more "humane" variety I get at the butcher shop...
Heh the "fair fight" honorable warrior thing is probably all myth, good for ancient legends and modern comic books.
I'm sure the majority of soldiers fight to defend, to achieve strategic goals, and so on... but then there are those guys who go rogue, kill anyone, collect ears, fingers, even skulls, and take pictures pissing on corpses... "souvenirs" or trophies if you will.
Like I said, no ethics or morals questions here, I just want to know what makes someone want to kill, easily without challenge or real "need", whatever it is that is proferred as target.
And it looks to me that the "fun" and jizz is in the killing...
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Okay, the first thing: we are still predators, although it's mostly like scavenging these days, but same is for some other predators, like bears, but for different reasons. We are predators, that thing hasn't changed, as it would anyways take a shitload of time to change.
So, about these "pen hunts". You don't seem to be from USA, but those pen hunts have all the same characteristics as many things in US take-away culture: fast, easy and convenient. In some document that had tad annoying host (might actually be Canadian dude, he had French name, but English speaker).. well, so he interviewed "pen hunt" keeper aka rancher. He said that when he was young, he was lucky if he got one antelope or similar during one hunting season. But when tourists come to Africa, they want 3-6 different animals in 3 days. So how you do that? Answer is "pen hunting". Fast, easy and convenient. Although not my kind of thing, but I am from different culture, etc. But as there is not really nothing wrong in that, so whatever, let them "pen hunt".
This same phenomenon is quite common in fishing, sports, etc. Things that normally require much skills, time to learn those skills and time to do it, are made fast, easy, convenient and accessible to everyone. But of course compromises have to be made and the end result is usually quite "shallow". |