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Originally Posted by EonBlue
Yes I read that elsewhere also. But for the time being at least the ozone hole appears to have stabilized.
But like I said before I didn't start out talking about the ozone layer and have no desire to keep talking about it. It's a separate issue with it's own set of variables and complications. Sure there is some overlap but the CAGW issue is complicated enough on it's own for one discussion.
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i believe the overall point is the position that humanity can't have an impact on the environment.. the ozone certainly proves that we do, and our current discussion shows that regardless of these wonderful 'success stories', we have a long way to go.
this has been used to show how the position, 'humanity cannot change the climate', is ridiculous, delusional, and dangerous.
yes there has been changes to the climate over a long period of time. yes there appears to be a change to the climate now.
what i think is missed here, is no, 'we' do not have irrefutable proof that our activity is the direct cause of current global climate fluctuations. yes, we have seen the increased solar activity, and the fact mars appears to be heating as well.
a question.. lacking irrefutable proof.. is how exactly does our activity with greenhouse gases, damage to the ozone, and the series of other irresponsible things we appear to do, on a daily basis, affect this natural cycle?