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Old 09-21-2014, 03:40 AM  
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They don't care about that. You have the shit in your house and you will be charged. My neighbor down the road got raided for pot and his 70+ year old mother (who lives with him) was also charged. In fact everyone in the house was charged.
Again, the entire point is to catch the person with the drugs.

Great, your neighbors were all charged - but how many of them were found guilty and went to prison?

The entire point of police doing their job is do it correctly, not to give an attorney a chance to plant the seed of doubt.

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Way to exaggerate. Have one guy sitting outside. When he leaves the house radio it in and have them come bust in and do the search. Have one other officer follow him so they know where he is while the house is being searched. Or... they could just bust through the window and get shot all to fuck. I'm not trying to teach cops how to run investigations, I'm just saying there is a better way to do it than busting through windows like the Expendables. You certainly don't need a team of 5 and a week of surveillance to know whether the guy has left his house or not.
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They don't have "one guy" outside watching the house. You have to watch the house for days to figure out who is in it, and what their routine is going to be,.

And it still doesn't matter because they want to catch him in the house with the drugs, not find the drugs without him there.

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No one is arguing any different and saying they shouldn't. The issue here is them busting through a window which clearly made it look like a home invasion.
A home invasion doesn't go through a window, it goes through the front door. You want to gain access for multiple people as quickly as you can, not have them climb through a window one at a time.

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What are you talking about? They execute the search warrant on the house and look for evidence there. Once they determine he needs to be arrested then they'll arrest him wherever they choose. You don't need a search warrant to arrest a wanted man in a car!???
How do you not understand this?

Which is going to be better and safer - Police catching him off guard while he is sleeping or doing a full felony stop with an armed man in public?

Police want the suspect quickly on the ground in matter they choose, not to give the chance for a car chase that leads through a school zone. (This happened to my kid's high school last week.)

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He probably had the gun by his bedside for protection, like many people do. You are acting like this guy was a crazed gunman looking to off cops if they looked at him sideways. If they blocked the guy in somewhere with multiple guns pointed at his head do you think he is going to get into a gun battle when he knows he'll be killed? Again, the issue here is he obviously thought he was the victim of a home invasion.
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Typically police do a no knock raid when the suspect has a violent history or is expected to be armed. My guess is that this guy was always armed and police knew it.

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Tell that to the cop who got shot in the face and the innocent guy who might be executed by the state for simply defending his home. And I have no idea why you think I have an issue with cops serving search warrants. It's with cops busting through windows and creating what appears to be a home invasion scenario.
And like I said.... Police serve countless warrants on a regular basis and there are so few issues....

To me I see police trying to do their job. They had a suspect, they thought they had a valid reason, and they served a warrant. It sounds odd they went though a window from a tactical view point the would want to enter the house from multiple access points and we don't know the details. I am pretty confident they all yelled police and yelled out that they had a warrant when they entered.
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