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Originally Posted by TheSquealer
Since the dawn of time men have fought and killed for a variety of reasons, sometimes defensively, sometimes offensively, sometimes just at the whim of a violent sociopathic or psychopathic leader.
Survival, has nothing to do with right or wrong. It has to do with confronting reality as it is. It has to do with a pragmatic and practical understanding of the enemy.
ISIS is running through territories murdering people by the thousands. No one here sheds a tear for them. No one feels the need to aggressively confront an obvious evil. Capture a bunch of ISIS murderers and detain them, and the same cast of characters will be lining up talking about their "rights", rather than the scores of children they beheaded, the rapes they committed or those they sold into slavery.
Hitler rolled through Europe and caused the deaths of many 10s of millions of people because jack offs spent all their days arguing for peace and hugs as a means to deal with a guy who was violating every arms agreement openly and gearing up to overthrow Europe. Same thing with japan. They went on a murderous tear brought Asia for decades and then geared up to attack the US and did it out in he open, in violation of every agreement and with idiot people arguing that if you just leave hem alone, they'll go away.
Here you are again. A bunch of jack offs arguing FOR bands of terrorists who ironically want to see each and every one pf you dead. You want to protect their "rights" and they want to saw the heads of your children and wife off with a dulll knife. That doesn't make you better. That doesn't put you on the high moral ground. That makes you ridiculously naive and only ensures that eventually, you and yours will be a victim.
You are fighting for the rights of people who want to kill your family in front of you before they kill you. That's hardly intelligent. I'm not saying there are great answers or obvious answers, but dealing with the situation and these people means first being able to be honest with yourself about who we are taking about, their intentions, their past acts, their connections to terrorist groups, how many were released only to plan and execute terrorist acts and so on and so and so on.
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It's not about who they are, it's about who we are. And I don't think anyone has any problem fighting, capturing or killing them. It's the the torture and the way we treat helpless prisoners that is wrong, not because of who we are torturing or whether they deserve it or not, but because of what it says about us and who we are.
It's been clear for over 400 years and well documented that torture is not an effective way to extract reliable information. We are just giving more ammunition to the enemy. We say they run on hate, we are giving them plenty to hate.
The early Christians were tortured by the Romans. Look how effective that was! Then the protestant movement was hunted and tortured by the Catholics. Yeah that stomped them out. There is no reason to think that torturing muslim extremists is going to do anything but feed the fire, and I suspect thats what the goal is, to continue the defense contracts and the war budgets and the surveilance and the over-reaches and the occupations.
So it's working, we just haven't been told what the actual goal is. If it's to intensify conflict and maintain a state of emergency then its very effective.