Originally Posted by Jel

I doubt anyone would say smoking next to a child is harm-free, so that's a non-existent debate anyway. What I'm saying is, it's the 'we know best' brigade again... if you can explain to me how it's a good idea to give a fine to someone smoking next to a smoker of legal age, and how that won't open any kind of can of worms with regards as to someone else micro-managing every part of your life because of the 1% of idiots who will smoke next to kids in an enclosed space and refuse to open windows (generally speaking, that's in no way a personal dig at your dad btw), I'm all ears.

It's not about at 16 it's ok, at 15 it's not.. it's about the fact a law was brought in, that will penalise a legal smoker for smoking in their own car full of other legal smokers, because someone somewhere got emotional about small children having to endure 2nd hand smoke, and confusing it with a rational idea.

It's about lawmakers deciding they know what's best, and seeing how this goes, before pushing on and saying because you have 1 beer, your body/mind is impaired, and eg you cannot legally drink with an under 18 year old in the house in case of some danger like [insert case of random man who fell asleep after a beer and his 15 year old son did xyz here].